How Would A Prime Foreman Vs Ray Mercer Fight Go?

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Nonsense. Frazier and Norton didn’t really get off. Cooper and Cooney were jokes. Briggs was a totally inexperienced asthmatic. They both went 12 with Holyfield.

    You’re also blending in Old Foreman with 70s Foreman. 70s Foreman lacked durability. I don’t care if you try to blame stamina bc it results in the same ending.
     
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  2. he grant

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    I greatly disagree with your assessment of Foreman's skills.
     
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  3. Glass City Cobra

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    You somehow "disagree" that Foreman won a gold medal (which is a historical fact), had a heavy jab (a fact), a granite chin and great determination (as obvious as the sky being blue), and had better skills than Mercer? What exactly does Mercer do better than Foreman? I would like specific answers please, not just your feelings.
     
  4. Glass City Cobra

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    Foreman was the same exact person in both decades and your chin doesn't get better with age. If anything it gets worse.

    Chin and stamina are not the same. You can have amazing stamina for 20 rounds and yet you have a glass jaw. You can have someone with a granite chin and poor stamina. You're a ****ing idiot, but it's always a pleasure reading your posts :lol:
     
  5. NoNeck

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    It’s clear to me that you’re trying to justify your emotional attachment to 70s Foreman by pretending that his chin would make up for his nonexistent stamina.
     
  6. Glass City Cobra

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    So you finally admit chin and stamina are two different things. Bravo. Maybe you're not as dumb as I thought!
     
  7. NoNeck

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    “Durability” is what your twaddle is based on. That takes into account chin and stamina. And LOL at Jimmy Young dropping Foreman.
     
  8. Dynamicpuncher

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    I don't want to make excuses and take credit away from Mercer who did great vs Lewis. But i always thought Lewis took more risks vs Mercer and stood infront of him, as he wanted to prove a point because of a possible Mike Tyson fight next.
     
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  9. Glass City Cobra

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    Well plenty of people had questioned Lewis chin after the McCall disaster. Maybe he wanted to prove to himself he could handle a strong aggressive guy like Mercer as a warm up for Tyson. If he got KOd by both McCall and Mercer then a Tyson fight would have been out of the question as no promoter would be able to sell it.
     
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  10. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You try fighting in an open air sauna like GF did against the defensive minded Young as a heavily muscled knockout puncher and see if you don’t get leg weary.

    Mercer ****ing gassed out against a past prime journeyman in Jessie Ferguson and offered a bribe to Jesse to not beat him (but Jesse did beat his arse still) That really is an LOL.

    Put Mercer in that hot ring with Young in that half arsed state and he’d be offering the referee a bribe to call the fight off before he looked any stupider and before fatigue sent his fat arse to the canvas iron chin or not.
     
  11. NoNeck

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    At least Mercer can blame being out of shape on his poor performances. With Foreman, it was more that he was a six round fighter no matter what training he did. And Ferguson didn’t drop Mercer.
     
  12. young griffo

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    What were the conditions in the ring for Mercer-Ferguson? MSG in winter is a hell of a lot less oppressive than under the lights in tropical San Juan when you’re trying everything to get a KO contrary to offering a bribe for an opponent to let up on you.

    Foreman didn’t have great stamina in his first career. A lot of Knockout punchers don’t. Mike Tyson didn’t have a lot of 6 and more round KOs either. But Foreman was a big enough puncher and good enough fighter to hurt anyone he could hit and Mercer even on his best night was dead easy to hit. I compared it to the Chuvalo fight not because they fought anything alike but that Foreman cracked the possible best chin in boxing history (Chuvalo had to be saved by the ref or Forman may have killed him) and he’d do the same to Mercer. There’s only so much any chin can take. Mercer would ship an enormous amount of punishment, Foreman would take whatever Mercer would return and then Rays chin would give out and he’d be rendered helpless and stopped probably on his feet in 4-5 rounds.
     
  13. NoNeck

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    It was a last legs Chuvalo. You’re talking about a guy who’d been taking L’s since the mid fifties with limited defense.

    I’m still not sure why the heat only seems to work against George when the big, strong guy can typically cause the smaller guy to wear out.

    As for Mercer, he lost 6-4 to Lewis and Foreman had zero interest in fighting either.
     
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  14. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I love how in your mind any fight that didn’t happen in the 90’s is on Foreman “not being interested/avoiding it.

    I reckon plenty didn’t call out George because what would losing to a relic from a bygone era do to your career and reputation? Aside from the name recognition and payday Foreman wasn’t really sort out until he was so old, slow and inactive that he was thought to be a soft defense for Michael Moorer’s camp. That worked out well.
     
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