Sailor Tom v Smokin Joe?

The Scrap Iron Johnson fight, makes me think that this could be competitive for a while.

Obviously Frazier has to be favorite, but perhaps it is going to be more interesting than some think.

 

Oh, there would be action for a minute.

Frankly, I envision it thusly...

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Interesting - the Scrap Iron Johnson fight jumped to my mind also - though a smaller HW in height I don’t what parallels can be drawn exactly between Scraps and Sharks otherwise..

Sharks was tough but I don’t know that he could/would exhibit the chin and durability of Scraps whose assets in the above regards were more than extraordinary.

 

Just a thought - Joe Frazier should’ve had a Sherman Tank or Steam Train (smok’n’ - get it?) tattooed on his chest - or something similar to those two.

 

Lol don't even bother. I noticed there are so many guys who claim to be boxing fans, be it on YouTube, Reddit, or other boxing forums can't grasp that boxing has evolved since the 1800's. No boxer from the 1800's could compete with even the worst boxers today (Even at the same weight class). Then you frequently see these same people keep having fantasy fights between people of different weight classes. Tom Sharkey weighed under 180 pounds for most of his fights. Joe Frazier was a 205-210 pound guy for most of his career.

Then you will see other people talk about how Sharkey would put up a good fight against Frazier and or Frazier would struggled to stop him. Bob Fitzsimmons a guy who weighed as 140 or so pounds knocked out Sharkey. But yeah Joe Frazier the modern skilled , 205 plus pound heavyweight would struggle to beat a 170 pound boxer from the 1890's.

Frazier would destroy Sharkey. If Sharkey lasted more than 30 seconds it would be biggest shock in the history of boxing. You see how Mike Tyson destroyed Marvis Frazier? The same thing would happen to Sharkey.

 

Look we have a person who clearly doesn't know boxing. Yet this person thinks they know boxing because they watched a ESPN boxing show where Bert Sugar said every boxer from the 1800s could beat any modern boxer.

There is a thing called the internet were you can find pretty much any information you will want to find. I know it is shocking. Most people never heard of the internet. But you could type in Bob Fitzsimmons boxrec, Numerous of Bob's early fights don't even have how much he weighed but when he turned pro against Alf Brinsmead he weighed 148, Year later against Dick Ellis he weighed 148. Most his career he weighed under 170, usually in the 150s to 160s range. Yet he still knocked out Tom Sharkey. But clearly the modern skilled 200 plus pound Joe Frazier could never knocked out some unskilled 170 to 180 pound boxer from the 1800's because you typed so.

Clearly boxing hasn't evolved. The skill later has remained the same for the last 100 plus years right? In fact nothing has evolved. Everything remained the same because you typed so. Please educated us all with you amazing boxing knowledge. Please tell use how size doesn't matter, you know until it benefits your point. Sure there are weight classes but that is only for show right? A 118 boxer could knock out somebody like Deontay Wilder as long as they are skilled enough right? Also if a 118 pound boxer could take another 118 pound guys power then clearly they could take somebody like Wilder's power?

I made a factual statement. Frazier was a modern sized heavyweight with modern skill. Tom Sharkey would be a small cruiser weight or slightly above average heavyweight if he fought today. His skill set would be so bad compared to even the worst boxer today they probably wouldn't let him get in the ring. If they did he would never win a fight against anybody. In any case Frazier would destroy him in less than 30 seconds.

 

What if his ship is actually a nuclear sub?

 

Are you a Seamus alt?

 

Yes. I am the alt of @Seamus

 

So you get "up front and personal" with sheep. Interesting, but also kind of sad, Sterling.

 

Listen, before he wore out, Sharkey was tough as nails, extremely strong, had very good power , a very good chin , endless courage and stamina .. there is zero reason to think, especially in this stylistic match up, he could not be more dangerous than Chuvalo or as tough as Bonavena ... neither guy polished but strong and tough .. that said in my opinion Frazier was , pound for pound, one of the very best heavyweights that ever lived so of course I'd favor Joe but I may favor Joe over almost any swarmer type under 200 ever ...

 

From what I’ve read Tom Sharkey was a pretty tough little guy with both power and durability. I’m wondering if he might prove to be another Oscar Bonavena type opponent for Frazier.

 

Being that this is a Tom Sharkey thread, I'm gonna let out my sailor side and point out that a sub is a boat, not a ship.

Regarding the matchup, I'd imagine it being short but exciting.