P4P (ALL TIME) how would you rank Saul Alvarez?

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P4P(ALL TIME) where would you put Saul Alvarez?

Poll closed Feb 10, 2023.

  1. Top 5(ALL TIME)

    3 vote(s)
    4.7%

  2. Top 10(ALL TIME)

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%

  3. Top 20(ALL TIME)

    3 vote(s)
    4.7%

  4. Top 50(ALL TIME)

    17 vote(s)
    26.6%

  5. Top 100(ALL TIME)

    40 vote(s)
    62.5%
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  1. ThaChampIsHere

    ThaChampIsHere New Member Full Member

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    What's your take on it?
     
    ThaChampIsHere, Jan 10, 2023
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  2. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Proven PED cheats shouldn't rank. A shame, as RJJ, Canelo and many others are very gifted.

    Without PEDs, top 100. Canelo has far too many question marks and questionable results in his 10 best wins - more so than any fighter of the last 30 years.
     
    kiwi_boxer, Jan 10, 2023
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  3. BCS8

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    As kiwi_boxer said, he's a proven drug cheat and the pattern of his judges results suggests heavy pushing from below. I have him 1-2 against Golovkin and people suggest that he maybe should have lost other fights too. It becomes hard therefore to rank him in the higher half of the top 50. I could see a case even with the PEDs etc for a top 100 ranking. His resume on face value is very good and he looks very good to the eye test too.
     
    BCS8, Jan 11, 2023
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  4. mirexxa

    mirexxa Heavyweight Champ Full Member

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    Nothing special, probably top 100
     
    mirexxa, Jan 11, 2023
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  5. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know boxing history that well, but I believe there was at least 100 boxers who are better than that privileged Canelo.
     
    senpai, Jan 11, 2023
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  6. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    His title achievements are pretty insane objectively, 4 div champ, 3 div unified (one of only two to do this), 1 div undisputed. But then you look at the people he has beat in earnest and his career becomes way, way less impressive. Top 100, purely on the benefit of the doubt that he deserved GGG 2+his title stats.
     
    JunlongXiFan, Jan 11, 2023
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  7. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    His career isnt over yet, so its hard to say.
     
    drenlou, Jan 11, 2023
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  8. Furey

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    When it's all said and done he has a fantastic CV even now prior to retirement and accomplished a hell of lot in the sport. Time will look back upon him favourably.
     
    Furey, Jan 11, 2023
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  9. JOKER

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    Looks like Bivol is gonna snatch the remnants of his Saul at 168.
     
    JOKER, Jan 11, 2023
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  10. alakran

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    Probably not top 100. I started watching boxing after Pacquiao vs Cotto and I could probably name 15 boxers who rank higher since then, not to mention all time.
     
    alakran, Jan 11, 2023
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  11. EJDiaZ

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    Top 100

    Ped cheater
     
    EJDiaZ, Jan 11, 2023
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  12. Mendoza

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    At middle weight? Somewhere is the top 30 of all time.
     
    Mendoza, Jan 11, 2023
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  13. GGGfans

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    About top 40 I think.
     
    GGGfans, Jan 11, 2023
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  14. MAD_PIGE0N

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    As @kiwi_boxer and @BCS8 I'd say a person with so many controversies (PEDs and some of the most obviously corrupted judges), he doesn't deserve that much. And since this is the absurd P4P ranking, I don't even see him in top 100. He is otherwise a very good boxer, but not that good to be included in something like all time P4P top 100.
     
    MAD_PIGE0N, Jan 11, 2023
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  15. BCS8

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    Fair comment.
     
    BCS8, Jan 11, 2023
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