Was Holyfield hitting harder than Tyson in 96?

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  1. Wass85

    Wass85 Active Member banned Full Member

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    I have just watched the highlights of the first Tyson/Holyfield bout and the microphone placement was perfect, you could clearly hear the punches thudding home.

    One thing that stands out is the fact that Holyfield's shots carried more of a thud than Tyson's shots, I honestly believe at that time Holyfield may have been hitting harder than Tyson.
     
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    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    It’s possible. Either that or he was just landing the better placed shots and at the right time. I guess at that stage in their careers anything was possible
     
  3. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    HGH and PEDs will help with that. Evan Fields: Pharma Warrior.
     
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    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    Holyfield was hitting harder with his intentional headbutts. As if being juiced to the gills wasn't a big enough advantage the Real deal ended up being a Real Cheater.
     
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    steve1990 Active Member Full Member

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    I still think Tyson had better power I don't think Holyfield would have finished Seldon or Bruno as fast as Tyson did.
     
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    I don't think any version of Holyfield could hit harder than Tyson. First of all Tyson's hands were faster even post prison and he was the more naturally heavy handed of the two. Force is mass x speed so Tyson is ahead of him automatically by default. In addition to that Tyson was simply the better overall puncher in terms of delivering knockout blows and putting your weight into a shot.

    Foreman was asked about Hoylfield's punching power and said it was roughly the same as Ali's, but Hoylfield tended to sit down on his punches more. Point being, there is no way Hoylfield hit as hard, let alone harder than Tyson if he's comparable to Ali or he'd have way more KOs. Holyfield still needed 11 rounds to stop a past his prime Tyson. There are quite a few heavyweights who went the distance with Hoylfield without even taking a knee despite Hoylfield landing a barrage of flush Sunday punches and combinations. Even Hoylfield's trainer Lou Duva said he needed to land 2-3 punches to match the power of a natural heavyweight puncher.
     
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    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    In his prime, with equal audio pick ups for his opponent, Prime Tyson’s punches sounded like no other, imo. We can accent on the contribution of Mike’s speed, accuracy and punching in combination all day long - but the man still had serious one shot power.

    One of my fave short clips. Got to 1.05 - formally dressed, including a tie and then a softly spoken Mike goes kaboom! Cliched as the description is, that literally sounded like a shot gun -

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    Fixed that for you.
     
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    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I always thought holyfields inside game was massively underrated, especially those body shots and uppercuts. A black Chavez?
     
  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think when he hit someone ‘right’ he could bang with the big boys. Takes some power to knock down Ray Mercer.

    It took Holy 11 rounds to stop Tyson but it took Tyson infinity rounds to stop post-prime Holyfield, so …

    On the nights they fought, Evander certainly hit Mike harder than Mike hit Evander.
     
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    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Damn, GCC. You just gave me a lisp.

    I mean, theriously! :eek:

    And let me thay, Mike dethinitely bit harder in 97.
     
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    I don't think he was. But he was much better at timing and placing his shots than Tyson that night, obviously.
     
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    TKO11 baby.
     
  15. Fergy

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    Think it's a case of the better placed shots tbh.
    He'd lost a fair bit of what he'd had, before prison, had Tyson.
    I thing he just went in expecting, or rather hopeful, that Holyfield crumbled.
    He really underestimated Holyfield, he wasn't as good as ten years previously, so he lost to the better, more prepared fighter.