From 1-10, how high are a prime Louis' chances against a prime Ali?

And they used salts and they tore his glove to buy more time, but "completely recovered."

OK, then it's completely likely that Louis, a fighter of much higher caliber than Henry Cooper could land a similar punch on that version of Ali.

You have argued around the point. I settled on a general 4 out of 10 likelihook basically indicating he would have to catch Ali green like Cooper did and close him out then. So you want me to go lower? Is that why we're communicating? OK, on most nights Ali has a 10/10 chance of beating Louis. Thanks for revising.

 

I'd love to see Janitor or my Granddaughter weigh in on this question. If I'm not mistaken, both rank Joe Louis as the #1 all time Heavyweight.

 

There is mucho bias in life.
You are acting in Good Faith, but consider how much of that fight you actually watched.
Almost certainly your view of the fight was strongly colored by the opinions you absorbed.

One prejudice all humans may fall prey to is "confirmation bias".
Wanting to believe whatever fits our prior beliefs.
First impressions bias too-whatever one is told, or say seen first-say selective clips or by random chance a particular part of a fight that Ali or anyone did poorly on.
Whatever we see first tends to have a disproportionate effect on our mind.

Mitch Green had a very selective, repetitive sets of sequences from his fight with tyson shown. Where he also makes vicious & homophobic comments.
Seeing only that you may think Green won.
But only one Judge gave him 2 rounds, & the [url]averaged fan scorecard here[/url] gave Mitch Green a slight egde-in exactly one round.

Ali was beloved in the 1970's & a cash cow for boxing. So he received some verdicts more favorable than deserved-& was given 1 or a few gift decisions, Norton 3 is the only one I think unambiguous.
But in the 1960's & for some later too, some were & are biased against Ali.

In the same website, fans gave Jones 3 rounds out of 10.
And Ali easily won the last couple of rounds.
[url]https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/cassius-clay-vs-doug-jones[/url]
I am not a very good scorer, but I do not think Jones scored more or did nearly enough to win.

 

NO. Not to deduce a winner of Ali-Louis, simply because I want to see who I think really won that fight. I always heard Doug Jones was robbed, now I want to see for myself.

 

This may be the best description I've read of how Ali used his style to overcome his stylistically fundamental weaknesses. Very well said.

 

Jose Torres who was as prolific a fighter as he was a writer said Ali showed you his weaknesses, dared you to exploit them, and beat you. OTOH there are posters I respect that said Ali was more than a genetic savant who did a lot of little things well.

 

Smelling salst wasn't illegal in the US neither during Louis's time or Ali's, I think, and the glove just got him a few seconds extra.

If we're talking that version of Ali, fighting in the same way that he did that night, against Louis at his very best? A Louis win by KO at some point wouldn't seem unlikely to me.

I thought you used Cooper on how they would do against each other both at their best, and didn't think the first Cooper fight was a good measure of that, but it seems I misunderstood you then.

 

Ali got an extra six seconds,do you think that made a difference to the outcome?
That time gave Danny Holland an extra 6 seconds to work on Cooper's cut. Ali's glove was damaged early in the fight the stitching was coming undone around the thumb.Ali got serious in the next round and jabbed Cooper silly.
I thought matchups were prime for prime unless specifically stated? Do you think Ali was prime for the first Cooper fight?

 

Jones wasn't robbed ,he just put up a better fight than was expected that ,along with Ali predicting an early stoppage and failing to get one contributed to the myth Jones deserved the win.

 

For neither fight was Ali prime.

 

I don't think Ali struggled with Folley,I don't think he was serious for the first couple of rounds

 

Struggled a harsher word than I should of used. Folley caught Ali a couple of times with right hands and it was somewhat competitive early on. But the outcome was never in danger.

 

Smelling salts were illegal in the UK.

However, apparently there were many examples in the UK of a corner administering salt during a fight and only copping a warning not to do it again. So, while illegal, there was some flex and it wasn’t all bets off if you got caught.

Apparently, Henry Cooper came out and said that he had no problem with Ali being administered smelling salts - going so far as to say, IF he (Henry) had been similarly hurt, his corner would’ve done same same (given him salts) - which can be taken to imply that his corner had smelling salts on hand also.

 

Louis 9-10 he beats Ali and probably by ko.