Catskill VS Kronk! Who Wins?

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Catskill VS Kronk! Who wins?

  1. Floyd Patterson VS

    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
  2. Evander Holyfield

    10 vote(s)
    90.9%
  3. Buster Mathis VS

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Tyson Fury

    11 vote(s)
    100.0%
  5. Mike Tyson VS

    3 vote(s)
    27.3%
  6. Lennox Lewis

    8 vote(s)
    72.7%
  7. Jose Torres VS

    2 vote(s)
    18.2%
  8. Michael Moorer

    9 vote(s)
    81.8%
  9. Eugene Cyclone Hart VS

    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
  10. Gerald McClellan

    10 vote(s)
    90.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    Disclaimer: Not all of the Fighters representing Kronk were home grown but did represent Kronk Gym and or its trainers at one point or another during their career. These fighters make the standard qualifications for a fighter to represent a gym in a boxing tournament.

    Catskill Gym New York VS Kronk Gym Detroit Michigan in a 10 man or 5 fight tournament consisting of 3 weight divisions. Who wins the tournament? Using the poll You can only pick 1 winner per fight..5 total

    Cus D'Amato is in the corner for all of his fighters and Emanuel Steward is in the corner for all of his fighters.
    Every Fighter is in their prime.

    1. Catskill: Floyd Patterson - Heavy
    VS
    Kronk: Evander Holyfield - Heavy

    2. Catskill: Buster Mathis Jr - Heavy
    VS
    Kronk: Tyson Fury - Heavy

    3. Catskill: Mike Tyson -Heavy
    VS
    Kronk: Lennox Lewis -Heavy

    4. Catskill: Jose Torres - Light heavy
    VS
    Kronk: Michael Moorer - Light Heavy

    5. Catskill: Eugene Cyclone Hart - Middle
    VS
    Kronk: Gerald McClellan - Middle
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2023
  2. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    If this poll does well l will do a Johnny Toccos VS Gleasons and the winner of this poll will fight the winner of that poll.
     
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  3. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A clean sweep for Kronk in my view.
     
  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    Actually quite close. Though Buster vs Fury is a brutal mismatch. Also it’d be fairer to match Torres with Gerald then it would be against Moorer… even then he might still be smaller.
     
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  6. The Senator

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    Kronk runs the gamut here.
     
  7. Tockah

    Tockah Ingo's Bingo Full Member

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    It's odd that of all the fights I agree Buster v Fury is the largest mismatch. I give Torres and Patterson a better chance than most might.
     
  8. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    The only guys on the list that were actually Kronk guys were Moorer and McClellan. The other guys were products of other trainers and other gyms.
    Saying that Tyson Fury is a "Kronk fighter" is a joke.
    A Johnny Tocco fighter thread? Everyone sparred there or worked there but none of them were made there.
     
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  9. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    Fury trained with Emanuel way back at Kronk and most recenently had Sugar Hill as his trainer against Wilder and Whyte.
    What are Your qualifications for a boxer to represent a gym that they trained at? Same with Toccos , whats your special standards?
     
  10. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Fury sparred at Kronk way back when, Kronk had not existed for years when Fury worked with Hill.
    Johnny Tocco never trained anyone. Guys used that gym to spar when in Vegas. You will not find any pro fighter that claims the Tocco gym, though many, if not most (of an era) have put in work there.
    That is like the Wild Card. That gym has produced zero fighters, but everyone has sparred there or worked out there.
    Most of the "name" gyms don't produce fighters. They are places that already made fighters utilize to have access to good, and free, sparring.
     
  11. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    This is when
    This content is protected
     
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  13. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    I'm sure he did.
    If you are Top Rank fighter, or were at least, they would send you to the Wild Card. The reason that they sent you there was because of the sparring available- if you have been noticing/participating in things like this for years, you will know that sometimes a gym has a lot of fighters of a particular weight training there- it was certainly not for the 6 rounds of mitts that you got from Freddie who has been a gimmick for years. But you will still pay a percentage of your purse to that gym for use of the facility and for the sparring.
    But that doesn't make you a "Wild Card fighter" no more than that make Fury a Kronk fighter.
    Tommy Hearns is a Kronk fighter, Fury is not.
    Nobody is a Tocco gym fighter, though everybody worked out there.
    I think that Emmanuel worked a fight with Miguel Angel Gonzalez. Is he Kronk too?
     
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  14. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    You said Johnny Tocco never trained anyone and thats not true. He is one of the best trainers of LV boxing history.
    From my understanding and for the sake of any and all tournaments any fighter can represent a gym he is training out of and or using their trainers.
    I never compared Fury to Hearns either.
     
  15. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Johnny Tocco ran a gym that was convenient for people to use when they had fights in Las Vegas. I have been there . If you think that Johnny Tocco was training those guys you are mistaken. They used his building. When Mike Tyson had a fight in Las Vegas he used the Tocco gym; Johnny Tocco did not train Mike Tyson and Mike Tyson was not a "Tocco gym" fighter.
    Tommy Hearns was a Kronk fighter; he started there, he trained there daily, he sparred there. Tyson Fury was there briefly and I very much doubt that he would call himself a 'Kronk' fighter because to do so would be disrespectful and he wouldn't do it.
     
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