Did Moorer take a dive vs. Foreman

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  1. CANNONBALL

    CANNONBALL Well-Known Member Full Member

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    a perfect punch at the perfect time against a fighter who seemed to be sleep walking thru the rounds. Atlas was telling Moorer not to get careless and not to stand in front of GF and MM did just that and paid the price. The previous right hand hurt him , Foreman I think noticed that and pounced.
    Great punch and a great ending - watched it live and nearly hit the roof when MM hit the deck. The vacant look and the severely busted mouth, I knew he was done
     
  2. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Laughable joke thread. The only ones who think this is fake are the usual anti-Foreman drones.

    Why not start a thread about Tyson-Seldon instead. It was a title fight and about as genuine as a $13 note.
     
  3. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I'm curious if anyone's going to address why Atlas would tell his fighter to be careful not to stand in front of George if there was a fix. What idiot doesn't tell their own coach about a dive they're planning? Why wait so many rounds getting hit in the face to set up the fix? If Atlas was in on it, why the hell would he say that out loud and spoil it which could lead to them being investigated? Didn't Moorer get pissed off and part ways with Atlas denying that he was being baited into the punch??? The more you think about it, the more nonsensical the idea.
     
  4. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    You don't need a lot of acceleration to hurt someone if you have huge, bony, chunky fists attached to powerful arms. That's why he could hurt guys with relatively slow punches. F=MxA, but people forget about density. A steel hammer moving 10 MPH is going to hurt a hell of a lot more than a wooden hammer going 20 MPH.
     
  5. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Though not one of the more spectacular looking knock outs I believe it appeared sufficiently legit in terms of execution (including the 2nd last right hand shaker) connection, accuracy and aftermath.

    But it raises some interesting conceptual questions.

    I think the crux of any disagreements here pivot on the eye test.

    However you “saw” it, all other highlighted reasonings follow down from same thereafter.

    Think of any other fight in which you felt a KO was 100% fake or near enough to based only on the eye test.

    If you could not establish any possible motive at all to dive otherwise, would the lack of evidence in that regard cause to you to shelve what you think you saw and just accept it to be a legit KO?
     
  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Not to be cute on physics but the equation that better applies is that which calculates impact force. That calc calls in momentum (force potential) and distance travelled during collision. Basically, the shorter the collision distance the greater the force transmitted.

    A shorter punch prior to collision, in itself is more efficient also - and that was a short right - and while it might’ve appeared to have “push” in it, it was actually quite snappy for optimal transfer of the momentum into impact force.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    No. He was taking big punishment for the last couple rounds and up till the coup de grace. Foreman hits with gravity altering shots.
     
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  8. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Moorer was a right handed "southpaw", so he moved to his left a lot in order to land his right. He got caught.
    I don't understand why even boxing fans think that you have to wind up like Popeye to punch hard. George shifted his weight and turned behind it.
     
  9. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Just wait until No Neck finds this thread!
    After he recovers from dehydration induced by innumerable spontaneous climaxes, his conspiracy theories should prove very entertaining.
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    :lol: :lol:
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Probably your funniest post ever. Lmao.
     
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  12. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Moorer had questionable durability to begin off with against one of the biggest punchers of all time. I used to have slight suspicion but given those factors I stopped.


    Like who would want to be clocked by Foreman if they could avoid it cmon now lol. As brave as Ali was don't let the fact that it was hot as hell in Zaire and he had 30+ yr old legs go over ur head either. Ofc he won but my point still stands.
     
  13. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Accumulation of blows by Glass Chin Morrer.
     
  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Of course he took a dive ... and the blood on his chest was ketchup ..
     
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