Fighters response to a loss

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  1. Freddy Benson.

    Freddy Benson. Active Member Full Member

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    On another thread Thread Stealer posted a very interesting article about George Foreman

    https://vault.si.com/vault/1984/10/08/after-fall

    Think it's fair to say losing to Ali and then Young utterly messed up Foreman for a long time. Made me wonder which fighters responded well to a loss and came back better. There's the wonderful story of Dennis Andries going to the Kronk and actually improving as a fighter under Steward. Who else would you mention?
     
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  2. boxingisthebestsport

    boxingisthebestsport New Member Full Member

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    Louis in dominating fashion over Max and the heavyweight division in its entirety.
     
  3. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 Full Member

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    25-11 -1 That was Johnny Nelson’s record at one point, He had that “0” pride stamped out early and was 6-5 11 fights deep. He had a real “we’ll getm next time” mentality and chugged along to become I think to be the guy with the most CW defences.
     
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  4. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    SRR when he lost to LaMotta. He won like 80 in a row afterward.
     
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  5. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I think it says a helluva lot about a fighter to comeback from a defeat, particularly if that defeat was by way of devastating knock out.

    No, he shouldn’t he have been caught in the first instance but Lewis’ comeback from 2 one punch knockout losses spoke volumes of his ability to deal with defeat and come roaring back from same without any carried over mental/emotional impairment.

    The defeats in question literally fed into Lewis’ cause and focus when given the opportunity to reverse those losses.

    It’s certainly no mean attribute to turn a prior failure into a subsequent and emphatic success.
     
  6. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Joey Maxim was stopped in 1 by Curtis Shepherd and exactly 3 weeks later defeated Shepherd over 10.
    It wasn't such a big deal to lose a fight when you already had 2 more scheduled. Frankly I don't see how you can be a fighter if you are afraid to get your ass kicked. If losing a fight discombobulates you mentally you should find something else to do and pray that it is something that will always go your way and never offer any adversity.
     
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  7. Freddy Benson.

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    Was he actually a significantly better fighter for it though? I was thinking about fighters like Dennis Andries who, after the defeat by Hearns through training at the Kronk, came back as a better more capable fighter than he was before.
     
  8. Thread Stealer

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    Lennox came back stronger. He worked with the trainer who was in the opposite corner when he lost to McCall, and polished his skills.
     
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    A very good example.
     
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  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it gets forgotten about just how well Tyson responded to the Douglas loss, despite how devastating it was. Tore through Tillman and Stewart and then two wins over Ruddock.

    SRR obviously. Went unbeaten for some 90 fights after his first loss, which he avenged four times during that time.
     
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  11. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I don’t know that they necessarily responded to the specific losses to become better fighters but Williams and Liston didn’t allow themselves to be derailed by early career losses to Satterfield and Marshall respectively.

    Johnson’s KO loss at the hands of Joe Choynski might be a poster example in so far as Choynski teaching Johnson about boxing while they were held in Jail after the fight.
     
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  12. gustavo

    gustavo New Member Full Member

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    Tunney got schooled and badly carved up by Harry Greb in their first fight, and while Greb was very unlucky not to get the nod in two of the next three, Gene had certainly closed the gap. In their 5th go round, "Tunney gave Greb as thorough a beating as he has ever received. So completely was Greb outclassed and outfought in six of the ten rounds that he resorted to a defensive fight after the third and thereafter was guilty of persistent holding and stalling varied only by rare flashes of offensive fighting, which Tunney quickly terminated by a devastating attack. Tunney concentrated his fire almost entirely on Greb's heart and body, landing with deadly accuracy and telling effect. After a flashy start, Greb went on the defensive and let entire rounds go by without making more than a weak show of attack, without landing a decisive punch, even on those rare occasions when he undertook to do the leading." (Associated Press)
    Eighteen months later Tunney easily beat Dempsey for the heavyweight. title That first beating from Greb taught Gene plenty.
     
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  13. Tockah

    Tockah Ingo's Bingo Full Member

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    Everyone is afraid to lose, no one wants to take a beating, nobody wants to be defeated by their adversary. Here's some words by men much smarter than you and I.

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    "Fear was absolutely necessary. Without it, I would have been scared to death." - Floyd Patterson

    “We can't be brave without fear.” - Muhammad Ali
     
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  14. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't believe Leonard beats Hearns in their 1st fight
    without his loss
    to Duran. After the Brawl in Montreal , Leonard gained
    the confidence and belief to go along with the
    talent and physical ability that would propel him into
    becoming the 2nd greatest welterweight in history.
     
  15. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    I don't think that any of those guys are smarter than I am.