If Cotto 'quit' v Margo, why did Hatton not quit v PBF??

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  1. roly

    roly Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yep i agree wit all of that, he's never beat a top 10 p4p fighter. his best win was a very close win against an old mosely. and he's just been beaten by a fighter outside the top25 p4p with 5 losses and yet people had him at #3 in their p4p lists and were talking about making him #1 if he beat margo. cotto is a good fighter but not great one.
     
  2. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Marg was in my top 20, you'll find that many will have had him there or there abouts.

    As for the losses, only the Williams loss is really of any interest to me. The rest can be discounted
     
  3. roly

    roly Boxing Addict Full Member

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    and i don't think he has ever fought a defending belt holder either
     
  4. DINAMITA

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    I agree with a lot of this, but to say Cotto dominated the fight is nonsense. I had it 95-95 going into the 11th (as did one judge, where the other two had it 96-94 Margo), but Margarito had won rounds 7-10. If anything, he was the one dominating the fight at that point. Cotto took an enormous amount of punishment between rounds 7 and 11, he was completely spent at the end, the only difference was he made it to one knee before one punch completely laid him out, and then his uncle ensured that punch never came. To make out he was less hurt than Hatton or that he was lucid and had strength enough to go on but chose not to is absurd.

    (ps: Lederman had it 86-84 Mayweather going into the 10th v Hatton, and the only round where Hatton suffered any sustained attack was the 8th, it was not a beatdown at all, he was just being outclassed and losing rounds to the slicker boxer, he wasn't hurt at all til the 1st knockdown, and even then it was more dazed than injured)
     
  5. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post!

    I had Cotto one up going into the 11th but Marg with the momentum to take a decision up until he cemented it.

    I had Hatton down by 2 going into the tenth but again Mayweather having the momentum. I've made the point before that if Hatton had not lost his head after the point deduction in the sixth then the fight could have been VERY close. For what its worth, I think Mayweather would still have won and by a good margin (2 poss 3 rounds) but Hatton went hell for leather and started getting caught needlessly.

    Difference with the Cotto fight is that I had Cotto win 5 of the first 6 rounds. Seven is when Marg turned the fight on its head. Seriously, I have never seen a boxer be schooled so comprehensively and then go on to win it so comprehensively. It felt like a beat down because Cotto was so hurt at the end, in truth it was far from a beat down!
     
  6. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Well Pacfan its widely known that judges can be confused between scoring based on workrate and effective, clean punches, that being said Cotto did surely dominate the first half of the fight, but would you really give Margo 7-11? That would truly mystify me as Margo did not win all those rounds. Margo had a great round 7 but I wouldnt give him 8 or 9
     
  7. DINAMITA

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    I'm not trying to argue with you, but I had Margarito a very very clear winner of rounds 2,7,8,9,10, and upon subsequent viewings, I am sure of that. I had Cotto a clear winner of 1,3,4,5,6. 95-95 IMO, but Margo well in control of the action by the 11th. Cotto was simply scintillating early on, but his poor defence let him down. Somebody teach that boy how to hold!
     
  8. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hatton took it coming from nowhere, came back up and only went down again b'cause he couldn't stay up on his feet. Cotto took a tremendous amount of punishment and after taking a knee, retreated and took another before Evangelista looked at him ( Cotto winked at his uncle) and they quit. And that is not to say Hatton wouldn't do it in those circumstances... Blood was splashing into the cameras, Miguel's mouth was full of blood and his face was a mess... Nothing to do, Cotto just avoided travelling to the canvas and flat on his back ( with wife and kid watching)... Oh please, give these guys a break!
     
  9. wooz

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    Stop whining already you girly *****.
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I agree he's a real piece of work. Who thinks people saying Cotto quit = Cotto being a quitter.
     
  11. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Lederman's card is worthless use the judges scorecards, the fight wasn't close at all.:deal
    judge: Paul Smith 88-82 | judge: Dave Moretti 89-81 | judge: Burt Clements 89-81
     
  12. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you didn't see Hatton get systematically taken apart, you're nuts.
    Hatton was hurt several times in that fight from both body, and head shots. You really should watch that fight again.

    The 8th round was a result of Hatton being broken down by Mayweather over the course of the fight and had finally slowed to a point where Mayweather was able to tee off on him.

    Hatton was getting nailed with straight right hands from the very first round and the check hook was always close to the mark the entire fight. Mayweather was also attacking the body with good punches the entire night. Take the glasses off. Mayweather knew his man and executed a great fight plan. :bbb :bbb :bbb

    If you don't see the combination of boxing skills that Floyd displayed in that fight... I don't know what to tell you. lol :lol:
     
  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    :deal
     
  14. Stezzie

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    :good I dont know why people can't understand this...
     
  15. BigReg

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    Pacfan is the only one that doesn't get it. He doesn't know what a delayed reaction is. He doesn't know the difference between quitting and being a quitter. He doesn't understand the concept of conotation and denotation. He's been beaten like a drum in this thread. Yet he continues coming back for more. I can only assume that he's either thick headed or partially ******ed.