Fury-Usyk-Wilder-Joshua-Chisora results comparison (simplified and omitting the filler)

These are just opinions, we'll see how it plays out.

 

1. Not everything is about "CV".

2. People interpret records differently. I would argue that 30-0 Ortiz was a better and more dangerous fighter than anyone Povetkin ever beat by a clear margin and on par with the Povetkin that Joshua beat.

3. Wilder's length, speed, will to win and absurd right hand make him dangerous/very dangerous in any fight, Povetkin not so much.

 

Mitch, in 2019 you ranked Wilder as the 4th best heavyweight, two places above Povetkin!

"Based purley on resumes & current form

1. Ruiz (beat the number 1 HW)
2. AJ ( best resume)
3. Whyte (wins over Parker, Rivas & Chisora tops anyone below on list in in the divison)
4. Wilder (is a WC but only has 1 top 10 win & next biggest win is against Brezeale).
5. Close between Parker, Povetkin & pulev but I give the edge to Parker with the win over Ruiz being the best win of the three."

Why do you lie?

You also comically ranked Pulev above Fury because it had been a few years since Fury beat Wlad and he got a draw against Wilder 1 rather than a win. But by that standard Joshua needs to drop out of your rankings because he's winless since 2020 and is now fighting barely top 30 Franklin.

 

It's not hard to work out. Jennings was 6th ranked by Ring, coming off winning 3 rounds officially over 12 against Wlad, had previously beaten top 10 Perez and would go on to give Joyce his toughest and closest fight so far, the only man to take him 12 rounds in 15 fights.

Ortiz outboxed Jennings 4-2 before crushing him in 7 rounds. It's a performance up there with any of Povetkin's. Compare Povetkin's Takam fight for instance.

Ortiz was heavily avoided for most of his career, turned pro to late and had very poor promotion. But he performed at a very high level against the guys who got in the ring with him prior to 2019.

Ortiz’s best winning performances against mutual opponents relative to rivals

Page: 3-0 Ortiz KO’d 53 fight veteran Page in 8 in America, who was in the midst of a 6 year, 44 fight streak where only Ortiz stopped him among a slew of contenders and champions.

Kayode: Ortiz KO’d 20-0-1 Kayode in 1. Kayode had fought former light heavyweight champion Tarver to a 12 round draw as a 3/1 underdog in America. Ortiz stopped 6th Ring ranked cruiserweight turned heavyweight Kayode 5 rounds earlier than anyone else would in 27 fights. Kayode went on to take cruiserweight champion Lebedev to the 8th round in Russia.

Jennings: Ortiz outboxed and KO’d 19-1 Jennings in 7 in America, who was coming off a 9-3 loss to lineal heavyweight champion and P4P No.2 Wlad. Ortiz stopped 6th Ring ranked heavyweight Jennings 5 rounds earlier than anyone else would in 28 fights. Jennings went on to give 9-0, 9 KO’s Joyce a highly competitive fight over the 12 round distance in Britain.

Thompson: Ortiz shut out and KO’d Thompson in 6 in America. Thompson had gone 12 rounds with Pulev in Germany and 12 rounds with Takam in France in the previous 30 months, losing 9-3 both times and had only been stopped by Wlad in 46 fights prior to Ortiz.

Scott: Ortiz shut out Scott over 12 and dropped him three times: the only time Scott was outpointed in 42 fights. Scott had previously beat Thompson 7-3 and gave Chisora a highly competitive fight over 6 in Britain (ahead on points after 5 rounds) before the referee allowed him to quit, which wasn’t allowed against Ortiz.

Allen: Ortiz shut out and KO’d 9-1-1 Allen in 7 in Britain. Allen had landed almost 4x as many punches on Whyte according to Compubox over the 10 round distance in his previous fight. Ortiz stopped Allen 3 rounds earlier than anyone else has in 28 fights.

Cojanu: 39 year old Ortiz KO’d Cojanu in 2 with one punch. Cojanu had gone the 12 round distance with heavyweight titlist Parker in New Zealand in his previous fight.

 

"As established Povetkin had a far superior record."

Because Povetkin had powerful backers and people would get in the ring with him. Povetkin's own promoter said they wanted no part of Ortiz.

"I feel prime Ortiz is on par with a prime Takam"

Takam hasn't dropped or stopped ANY of his 10 best opponents, he sucks at that level. And he ducked Ortiz to fight Duhaupas (who he never fought either).

"There was a poll"

So? 70%-80% or so favour Fury to beat Joshua in these forum polls and have done for years. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, Mitch.

 

I think you're clueless. Jennings would be 50-50 against Takam, Whyte, Chagaev and Chambers, they're all competitive wars. How did the latter two do against Wlad? How did Takam do against Joyce?

Povetkin doesn't have a prime performance in his career which is anything more than on par with Ortiz-Jennings. They were a similar level but Povetkin was even older than Ortiz and considerably more shopworn, hence he was finished at 41 whereas Ortiz is still chugging along at 43, having just gone 50-50 over 12 rounds with AJ-conqueror Ruiz.