Did Siki foul Carpentier?

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  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    There was some controversy with the outcome of the Siki - Carpentier bout of 1922, and I believe the ref even DQ'd Siki for a bit before overturning the decision. In the film, you can see Siki sorta kick Carpentier in the leg before he went down, and Carpentier appears to be grasping the kicked leg in pain when he was on the canvas. What really happened?
     
  2. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I did read somewhere it was supposed to be a fixed fight with the French man winning but some how it went wrong in there, Siki started to really hurt him.
    The fight turned a bit crazy.
    Carpentier then ended up battered and bleeding.
    The ref, who may have been on the fix, dqd Siki. There was such an uproar that the judges an hour later over turned the decision and the orchid man had lost his title.
     
  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I do remember reading about a supposed fix. In the article I read many moons ago, the writer actually suggested that Siki's death on a Harlem street several years later could have been the result of the French mob finally catching up to him for going against script. A bit of a stretch, but who knows?
     
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  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    It's what I love about boxing from story's years ago. Rumours of fixed fights, shady deals, rumours and myths. No other sport has it.
     
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  6. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Siki had been bribed to lose but, for whatever reason, decided to KO Carpentier anyway.
     
  7. SolomonDeedes

    SolomonDeedes Active Member Full Member

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    As Siki told it, he had agreed to take a dive in the fourth round but when it came to it his pride just wouldn't let him do it.

    https://ibb.co/DYcsxxH
     
  8. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Carpentier had more excuses in his autobiography than almost anyone I've ever heard .. his story about Siki borders on the moronic .. to me maybe it was to be a fix for Georgia too win easy but then got out of control and Siki caused heavy damage .. the foul looks very hard to tell and accidental and was used to try and save the title for Carpentier to me .. thankfully if was overturned ... shame Siki was Leon Spinks like in his complete lack of self-control .. he was strong, tough, had a terrific chin and could hit ... just a wild guy ..
     
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  9. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    It looks like there was a foul of some sort on film, Siki kicks or knees Carpentier in his leg and on the canvas he's gripping the leg in pain and keeping it up. Seems like he had a point
     
  10. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was also an idiot. Imagine choosing to defend your title against an Irishman, in Ireland, on St Patrick's day, with Irish officials, and then being shocked when you get robbed.