Percentage of fighters with CTE post boxing career? Will current fights be affected?

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  1. Blofeld

    Blofeld Active Member Full Member

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    I was reading Tris Dixon's brilliant and heartbreaking book Damage. The most shocking thing for me is that he speaks to many fighters in his previous book Raod To Nowhere and mentions several who are doing really well after boxing. Then fast forward to Damage and the same fighters who were funny and articulate (sometimes even successful in business) have succumbed to Alzheimer or Parkinsonian like symptoms associated with CTE.

    One thing I am unsure of and it not made clear is what percentage of former champs end up with CTE? Does anyone know or has that level of research not happened yet? What disturbed me the most was that many fighters today who seem to be doing really well seem to have a huge chance of suddenly succumbing, maybe 20 or 30 years after their retirement. It seems from the book that even with greater safety measures, testing and knowledge fighters are still extremely likely to suffer from CTE. The even crazier thing is that it doesn't seem to make a difference if you are a brawler of a defensive genius, you can still get it. Willie Pep, Wilfred Benitez and Herol Graham all have it along with warriors like Micky Ward and George Chuvalo.

    So former stars of our lifetimes, who all seem healthy and financially successful, like Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, De La Hoya, Trinidad and even defensive wizards like Floyd Mayweather, may start coming down with this in the next 10, 20 or 30 years! Just long enough for them to fade from popular consciousness so that their illness can be swept under the carpet. Of we have fighters from our era already suffering like James Toney, Terry Norris and Meldrick Taylor.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated!
     
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  2. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Early dementia is easier to attribute to CTE, but fact is dementia in older age is relatively common.

    Take for example Jake La Motta former middleweight champion, definitely a give one to take one fighter, he fought 869 rounds as a pro in a 13yr career, and died at age of 95 with his grey cells apparently not affected by CTE.

    I am sure in future the numbers of pugilists who suffer CTE will be more quantifiable, due to brain imaging happening through their careers, so damage will be identified and any worsening will be measurable.

    However in answer to the percentage of former champs who succumb to CTE, I do not know, we of course can name plenty who have.
     
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  3. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It can really vary. For example, Muhammad Ali and Ernie Terrell. They were in the same age range and fought a similar number of fights. They both ended up with severe damage. However, the time of the onset couldn't have been more different: Ali was falling apart before he even finished his boxing career, while Terrell was ok mentally for the vast majority of his life, but then the dementia kicked in badly for his final few years.
     
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  4. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To a degree? Perhaps most. Difference between migraines and progressing dementia however is a difference between life and death.
     
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  5. DS Phil Hunter

    DS Phil Hunter Active Member Full Member

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    Have you read A Champion's Last Fight The Struggle with Life After Boxing By Nick Parkinson? I read this before Tris Dixon's Damage and it does cover CTE in boxing and it's effects.
     
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  6. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also Joe Bugner, who seemed to be doing well until recently, but now has dementia.

    It's easier to identify in guys who were ailing at a young age, like Ali, Quarry, Norris and Benitez, and also the likes of Watson and McClellan. There can't be much dispute that their health issues are/were boxing related. However, people who have never boxed in their lives also get dementia and Parkinson's.

    When a 75 year old man who retired from boxing 40 years ago and was previously in good shape suddenly develops Alzheimer's, who can really say whether it was caused by boxing?
     
  7. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ironically, football players seem to be far more affected by CTE. It all comes down to bone structure and genetics (like Parkinson's). Some of the least hit fighters still end up w dementia.
     
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  8. Blofeld

    Blofeld Active Member Full Member

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    Thanks I will read that next!
     
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  9. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Wasn't Schmeling at a few months shy of 100 fine brain wise?
     
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  10. jimjam81

    jimjam81 New Member Full Member

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    I read an article in Ring Magazine once that went into great detail about the effect on the brain caused by certain punches. If I remember correctly hooks and uppercuts were the most damaging punches.
     
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  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I attribute it to the same as smokers.
    Some can smoke many years and die in old age, others develop lung cancer s, heart disease, stroke s etc.
    Some time s it's luck, or rather bad luck, of the draw.
    Very interesting subject, regarding the brain damage caused in boxing.
     
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  12. jimjam81

    jimjam81 New Member Full Member

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    I found the article that I mentioned earlier. It was written by Scott Lafee in Ring magazine some years ago. He says that a straight-on blow to the face is less likely to cause injury than from a punch coming from the sides or below. He gives the example of a woodpecker which can smack its head against a tree with forces reaching up to 1,200 g’s without damage because, in part, it’s head is travelling in the same plane as it’s body. He goes on to say that boxing punches that come in angles such as hooks and uppercuts, do just the opposite. They produce rotational forces that can cause the brain itself to twist and distort within the skull, stretching and tearing delicate connections between brain cells.
     
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  13. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    It’s too tough to so the research to find the percentages of all the pro fighters in the world and see if they have CTE. There will always have your share of fighters that suffer from brain damage though. It’s simply unavoidable due to the nature of the sport.

    There’s a really good documentary called After the Last Round dealing with this topic.

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  14. AngryBirds

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    I can't imagine what the studies might show for those who were struck by Wilder.