Would You Pick RJJ, Against Most Middleweight Champs?

Plus he has the best nickname I have ever heard!

 

I posted this in a thread about him some time ago:

The late, great AJ Liebling quoted Doc Kearns (who fought Billy Smith) on him:

“He was always doing something mysterious. Like he would step on your foot, and when you looked down he would bite you in the ear. If I had a fighter like that nowadays, I could lick heavyweights. But we are living in a bad period all around.”

 

Honestly, he could beat anyone in history. Hagler would have been a huge challenge, and I think in a trilogy RJJ would most likely walk away with a loss. I think he's too fast and powerful for Monzon.

 

Watched Monzon on YouTube not too long ago stumbling around after fringe contender and powderpuff punching Tony Licata round after round before finally catching up to him. If that's the Carlos that RJJ gets, then Monzon wouldn't win a minute of any round.

 

Appreciate that mate, and the feeling is mutual when i logged on just now and saw your name...I must have just gone out before you posted on Saturday morning. Really great to see you around still/again- always one of the most objective posters we had back in the day . Agree with your assessment of Jones too- a horrible match-up for virtually anyone at 160.

Ha ha, I did plan my first post after nearly a decade would be answering/disagreeing with one of yours JT . Always good to see some of the names from the legendary 2004-2007 days (with apologies to any Jan 08 guys, of course). Agree again on the RJJ and Ezz verdicts. Jones in in danger of becoming really underrated in the future, which would be a shame.

 

I used to be a big fan of Monzon and really respected his achievements, his attitude to defending abroad and his cool mentality, which helped that ability to pull that win out of the bag, always. Because of that I generally remained neutral in the h2h VS RJJ. But i was lying to myself, he'd be dominated for at least 2/3 of the fight, maybe staging a last comeback over the final stanzas to make the cards more respectable. But RJJ looks a really bad match-up style wise for Carlos.

 

Thanks and same to you. One of the funniest posters from back in the day and you were always the first to call out hypocrisy in poster logic.

 

It's top banana to see META and MdwC back posting again. We just need to get Raging Bull and Stonehands back and then harass Mante out of retirement . Even Senya is back winding klompton up to acceptable levels of anorakish spite in the Gibbons-McFarland thread.

Jones-Monzon is a hard fight to weigh up imo if Jones could make middleweight during the same day era without frazzling himself (something that gets ignored a bit as a factor) once he'd reached the level required to push for a title shot. Probably a lot of adjusting and counter adjusting from the both of them trying to outgeneral the other at ring centre and posing fairly unique threats to one another. I'd be well curious to see how Monzon would go about negating the speed gap and try to figure Jones out. He'd need to try and frame and manoevre Roy, mix up his right hand trajectory etc but still wade in with a bit of abandon and fight dirty while taking some hard shots that he might not see coming without getting discouraged. A good chance that he gets outsped and hurt early to mid on, but if he's still there after ten adapting and pressing on into the championship rounds like the horrible heavy handed machine that he was......with Roy never having gone 15 and possibly weight drained.....

It wouldn't shock me to see either being a step too far for the other. Jones definitely has a shout as favourite.

 

The whole question here by OP wasn’t ‘is RJJ unbeatable beyond all doubt,’ but whether you’d pick him against most middleweight champs and that’s a hard question to which to answer no given his gifts.

 

Soooo you were willing to come back and take the incorrect side of a discussion right off the bat??????

I remember we went for pages over Bernard Hopkins with the debate going into the most miniscule of detail. I can't remember if it was a H2H debate or greatness or what. After the longest time you ended up calling me Mr Pedant hahahaha

Of course i wore it like a badge of honor!!!

 

Yep. I'm good like that.

Ha ha...y'know I really started respecting B-Hop during the last few years of his career. He really won me over. I think it was around the time of the Cloud fight. So, you won't see me giving him any more stick on here....maybe...

 

If so i'll be looking to turn that maybe into a god no

 

It is like the old adage: You Live By The Sword, You Can Also Die By The Sword. True Jones had speed, but what if he faces a complete tall middleweight who has a great chin and he walks Roy Jones Jr down cutting off the ring and forces him time and again into a firefight. Speed is not the fix all, Roy has hit the canvas before, imagine against a hard hitting middleweight.

 

Hagler would have beaten him, his jab would have been too much and he would have out-worked Roy, Hearns would have been dangerous. Duran would have done well v Roy, SRR would have beaten him.

 

Roy would have beaten Duran in a canter. Duran would have done terrible. It might actually be the worst matchup for Duran in the history of the 160 pound division.