Limited fighters who ended up having good careers?

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  1. Blofeld

    Blofeld Active Member Full Member

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    Not meaning to dis any fighter but looking for examples of fighters with limited skills who ended up having good careers despite not being the most talented.
     
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  2. Paul McB

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    Steve Robinson. Ended with a career of 32-17-2.
    He was very much an “opponent” and took full advantage of his shot at the WBO title when he was a last minute stand-in against John Davison. He went on to defend the belt 7 times, including defenses against opponents with wildly differing styles and who he wasn’t expected to beat (Colin McMillan, Duke McKenzie, Paul Hodkinson). Came undone against Naseem Hamed who was at his absolute best, but by then he’d achieved much more than he was expected to.
     
  3. AwardedSteak863

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    Wayne Mccullough comes to mind. He was not particularly powerful or fast and not the most skilled but he was as tough as they come and was a truth machine which means he was always 100% prepared and if an opponent was anything less than that they were going to get outworked. Glen Johnson is another guy that was like that and maybe even less talented than McCullough. Both guys had tremendous will that often beat skill.
     
  4. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    I see a little bit of contradiction in the question. Not sure if You can have a good career in boxing if You don't have neither skill or talent.
    Fighter who wasn't the most talented, but enjoyed good career would be Sam Soliman - but I think with all his awkwardness and sloppyness, He was very skillful and smart in the ring.
    Still, him winning a belt at 40 years old, after some 50 fights and very tough up and down career - was great achievement for him and big tribute to his perseverance and work-ethic.

    Not sure if posters above will agree - but I see McCullough and Robinson as similar cases. They were not the most gifted, but I would describe both as crafty at the very least. Their skills were sound.
    Glen Johnson even moreso - He is one of the most underrated defensive fighter of his generation to me. That's real skill in my opinion.
     
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  5. Nosferatu

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    Frazier was somewhat limited, but he was the best at what he did.
     
  6. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When I talk about Johnson and McCullough being limited I am not taking a shot at them. I mentioned those two because neither had exceptional speed or power which typically a world champion has at least one and sometimes both. What they both had in common was they always got the most out of their ability because they trained and prepared properly. The were solid fighters that were limited physically compared to their opponents. Hell Johnson was 5'10 on a good day which is small for a modern light heavy.
     
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  7. zadfrak

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    Zaragoza.

    Squared up all the time. cut easily. A road warrior. Rarely the house fighter. Usually gave up a ton in age in his fightsand fought youth--when guys are usually washed up or sliding backwards by age 28. Beat to the punch often by perfect right hands. kind of a probing left hand but not what you would call a classic jab.

    But his toughness and determination saw him through. Great conditioning and the rare type to continue fighting his fight when cut. And he'd win.
     
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  8. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    Got it.
    I definitely see where You' re coming from, just the difference between "limited in skills" and "not being the most talented" is what got my attention in the question posed. I think everyone - me included - automatically leaned towards "limited in talent" and here Glen and Wayne are excellent examples.

    Someone limited in skill, on the other hand - I'd say would be Deontey Wilder. He basically only learned how to do one thing very well, throw his right hand through the target. His overall skillset is nowhere near Glen Johnson or Wayne McCullough, in my opinion.

    I'm not sure if You can lack talent, then don't develop skills - and still be succesful in the sport.
     
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  9. Roughhouse

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    Wouldn't Bazooka Limon fit this bill? He seemed very limited in punching power and speed, but his grit and toughness made him a champ and wins over much more "talented" fighters.
     
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  11. Blofeld

    Blofeld Active Member Full Member

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    Good pick, I loved Robinson, seemed like a decent bloke who deserved his success.
     
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  12. Blofeld

    Blofeld Active Member Full Member

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    I remember being surprised when Wayne lost to that old warrior Zaragoza, I need to rewatch that one. But he fought some excellent fighters and he was unlucky not to regain his title at super bantam or win another title at featherweight, he could have fought some soft touches but challenged Morales, Hamed and Harrison.
     
  13. Blofeld

    Blofeld Active Member Full Member

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    I was unsure how to phrase it in the title, I didn't mean fighters with no skill, or any disrespect. I mean more fighters who learned on the job, maybe didn't have the most graceful or technical style, but of course this doesn't mean they are not effective. Soliman is a good pick btw!
     
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  14. Blofeld

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    Yes for sure, his body punches were telegraphed a mile out and he looked like he was chopping down a redwood tree, but what a tough dude!
     
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  15. Blofeld

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    Just thought of two other of my favs that fit the bill, Dennis Andries although he did improve post Kronk, and Iran Barkley. Having said that Iran did have some solid fundamentals, he just rarely used them apart from against Duran, maybe his most disciplined performance.
     
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