Andy Cruz Gómez vs. Juan Carlos Burgos Castillo

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Jul 10, 2023.


El Diamante (The Diamond) or MiniBurgos?

Poll closed Jul 15, 2023.

  1. Cruz on points

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    50.0%

  2. Cruz by stoppage

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    50.0%

  3. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. Burgos on points

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  5. Burgos by stoppage

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    0.0%
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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Alright, sorry, guess I'm just used to "boxing hipster" carrying more accusatory connotations in recent years (as in arbitrarily hyping up fighters just to be an elitist with greater emphasis on their obscurity than merit)
     
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  2. SeanyTee

    SeanyTee New Member banned Full Member

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    Cubans make awful pros, crap most of them when they turn over. Don't bet on Cubans in the pros.
     
    SeanyTee, Jul 12, 2023
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  3. IntentionalButt

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    Cruz 134⅗ lbs
    Burgos 134⅕ lbs
     
    IntentionalButt, Jul 14, 2023
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  4. drenlou

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    Burgos is shot to pieces. Should be a showcase pro debut for Cruz.
     
    drenlou, Jul 14, 2023
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  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Extended the poll. :thumbsup:
     
    IntentionalButt, Jul 15, 2023
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  6. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I fell asleep. Will try to watch a replay, but from what I've heard it was the expected cruise control. Good to see he got ten rounds under his belt tho.

    Cruz had style radically geared towards amateurs so he needs the rounds in the pros, and I don't think he will ever switch completely. More likely he will be the feather fisted slickster/technician.
     
    Rollin, Jul 15, 2023
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  7. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Biggest hypejob period. Seen several of his amateur matches, never been impressed in the least. His pro debut, the definition of lackluster. He's going nowhere in the pros. He's a featherfist, who'll be savaged by the first guy who knows how to fight a southpaw. He has nothing to keep them off of him. ****ing hipsters.
     
    CST80, Jul 16, 2023
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  8. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think y'all are being too harsh on him for his first fight. I didn't think he looked very good, either -- he has to change his punching technique to be successful at world class level -- but it was fight No. 1.

    Main thing is he needs to stay active, tho. Hopefully everyone realizes that he has a lot of improvements to make.
     
    Lesion of Doom, Jul 16, 2023
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He's the most accomplished 1-0 fighter in the world right now!

    But is he going to learn it up? We shall see. History would suggest he will not.
     
    McGrain, Jul 16, 2023
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  10. RJJFan

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    Beautiful basics. Far more watchable than Rigo. Like an orthodox, sharper and more active Lara. And Burgos is not an easy debut for any fighter.
     
    RJJFan, Jul 16, 2023
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  11. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Watched some highlights. The power is not there and he looks smallish (135 might be more of a merketing move with how stacked it is?)

    That being said, he is definitely extremely entertaining to watch with his tendency to defend in the pocket without clinches or control game, and tight-on point head movement.

    Feather fisted, yes, and I fear he might find his Villa like Rashidi Ellis, but in general a fantastic addition to watch in boxing.
     
    Rollin, Jul 16, 2023
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  12. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He doesn't fight southpaw, does he?
     
    Rollin, Jul 16, 2023
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  13. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Yeah, you're right. For what it's worth, I'd just woken up, Rojas, Rodriguez and Frank Martin all three were southpaws, who I watched on Showtime was in southpaw discussing mode and had a brainfart. Although as an amateur Cruz did have a tendency to switch hit and did so last night on a few occasions.
     
    CST80, Jul 16, 2023
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  14. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Yeah, that too.:lol: I've always had that issue with not just Cubans, but Filipino fighters as well. Almost every Filipino who went pro when they were 15, and racked up 2 or 3 losses early in their careers, are southpaws. I was convinced that Casimero was a southpaw for years, in spite of the fact that I've seen him fight easily 15-20 times.:lol: And I'm an ultra observant guy.
     
    CST80, Jul 16, 2023
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  15. skalamanga

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    A cuban good amateur looks terrible in the pros, oh what a surprise!!!

    newsflash = Cubans always fail in the pros
     
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