Putting Crawford's Domination & Stoppage of Errol Spence Jr. Into Its Proper Perspective.

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  1. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    I've been saying that Spence is not that good for a long time. I can't imagine putting anywhere near top 5 P4P.

    He's just a good fighter, never been a great one. He didn't have any intangibles like good power or even good speed. I thought Ennis was going **** him up if they ever fought. That's why they used politics to avoid that fight.

    The last few years hasn't been good to him either. It's filled with overrated wins and inactivity. Every good fighter on Spence's resume is retired. That's how long ago he has fought anyone decent.

    People always ask what have you done for me lately? Spence hasn't done anything to warrant his cushy P4P position before the fight.
     
  2. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pretty much spot on analysis - the only thing I didn't see coming in this fight is that Bud dominated from the outset - I expected him to maybe ship a couple of rounds till he found his rhythm and started catching Spence with shots he couldn't see coming - but of course that happened as early as the 1st round and then the KD in the 2nd. At that point it was gave over, and just a surgical beatdown from Bud.

    I expected something more like Calzaghe vs Kessler, where Spence's size, volume & bodywork would give Crawford some problems in the 1st half of the fight but he would make adjustments and take it down the stretch - though with Bud being such a mean & spiteful sob in the ring, I predicted the stoppage, as opposed to points.
     
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  3. travolt

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    Spence's only chance was to catch Crawford with a crazy shot while being on his way to get finished by Bud, with the underline Bud having a so-so chin and forgetting defense sometimes.

    And he actually almost did catch Bud clean in the fifth i think, but i had zero effect.

    If he had Inoue's power for his weight class, he would have certainly floored him on that occasion.

    A great example on why power is a very valuable asset in this game. You only need to get lucky once.
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I know you're having a bad morning, with your fellow Texan taking a life altering beating and all. So I'll go easy on you. Clearly you weren't reading close enough. There's a reason he hasn't been down in 28 matches. It's because he's been matched exceptionally well, in the most risk averse manner humanly possible. But the fact that he's been rocked to his core on multiple occasions, to the point where he loses balance and almost topples over, even being matched exceptionally well... ie; fighting primarily featherfisted fighters who shouldn't be able to hurt him. Kind of means he's going to be battered from pillar to post and bounced off of the canvass several times, when he gets in there with someone who can.... just like last night.

    Who said Bud deserved to be ranked over either Inoue or Usyk? Not I.
     
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  5. FrankinDallas

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    He can't be my "fellow Texan" because as you know very well I'm not a Texan.
    Spence had been seen as a top ten PFP boxer by ex boxers, current boxers, trainers, promoters and boxing pundits whose article are read by thousands and not a few dozen on a random website. So his position was valid.

    This morning is so typical of boxing sites. A guy wins Saturday night and he's an ATG. A guy loses and he's a bum who never fought anyone other than handpicked light opponents.

    Whatever. Crawford showed he was levels above Spence and anyone else at 147. There is no need whatsoever for a rematch at any weight. Let's see Crawford fight Ennis at 147 or a Charlo or a Tim Tyzou at 154. If he beats them he will cement himself as a generational talent.
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    This morning has **** all to do with anything I wrote here. I've been saying the same damn thing about Spence for a very long time. It's merely me being consistent and explaining why this was always an easy match for Bud Crawford.

    You live in Dallas, you're a Texan. Deal with it!:deal:

    Charlo, Tszyu and Ennis?:lol: The Moe Larry and Curly of overrated hypejobs won't do anything for Crawford's long term legacy.
     
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  7. MURK20

    MURK20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m convinced that the Spence that fought Ugas would have killed Garcia.
     
  8. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    I will ignore your insult with respect to being or not being a Texan, Mr Little Mermaid of Orlando.

    Then who the hell can Crawford fight next if not for the three I mentioned? Will Crawford go back to fighting non entities as he's done his whole career?
     
  9. mono

    mono Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You can.
     
  10. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    are you being literal or do you mean theres a function to ignore staff on the board?

    because for most people you can click their username and you have an ignore option and staff members do not have that option for me.
     
  11. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Brook is featherfisted?
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Excellent work.

    As you all know, I'm one of the world's leading authorities on chin and punch resistance science but the scary and baffling thing is you don't need to posses my level of expertise in that field to know that Spence is and always has been chinny. In fact, you don't need any type of qualification at all because it was blindingly obvious and the signs were always apparent.

    How many other fighters can you think of you've heard me say I really don't like the way they react to getting hit? You can't think of one because there aren't any. But I've been saying this about Spence forever. Sure I've criticized or questioned the punch resistance of many fighters but Spence is the only one I've had that particular concern about and the most alarming factor is he often reacts like that after getting hit against light to average punchers.

    The KO% of his opponents is embarrassing and then when you factor in all but two of the world champions he's fought were career 140 pounders or 135 Mikey it makes it even more so. The fact he's fought so many complete featherfists, so few punchers, and so many career 140 pounders and 135 Mikey isn't an coincidence.

    Look at the model E-Hearn has followed in manufacturing Conor Benn's career so far. It's a tried and tested formula and one which many others have used to manufacture a fighter's career when they're coming up: Stick them in with light to average hitters, avoid punchers, and as you want to gradually step them up to world class feed them world class fighters or former champions from lower divisions who they're naturally bigger or much bigger than or past it or well past it former champs who bring name value and experience.

    As said, Spence has fought a grand total of two career 147 world champions his entire career (Brook and Porter) and he struggled badly against both. Every other champ he'd fought was a career 140 or blown up 135 Mikey who came up and most of them were complete featherfights or average punchers at best.

    He's been on mission clean out 147 of all its career 140 pounders who came up and he'd fought one career 147 pounder champ since winning his first world title six years ago against the only other one he's ever fought and he hasn't fought any of the young power punching hungry lions like Super Boots, Ortiz and Stan. The later has had to step aside twice and wait for his shot for forever and best believe Al had a word in his ear and convinced him do so at least one of those times.

    I'd favour or give all three of those a good chance of stopping Spence. If Super Boots did so he'd receive a lot of credit, Ortiz would too, but if Stan did so you know damn well he'd receive a mere fraction of it even though he's had to step aside twice already. Spence would universally be deemed shot to hell after the car crash and if you argued that he looked good stopping Ugas it would be countered with Ugas previously having lost three times to nobodies and D levels at 140 and Manny being way past it, nearly 43 and not having fought in over two years when Ugas beat him.

    Spence is a good fighter and a nice enough likeable guy but so many have been desperate to propel him up the P4P rankings way prematurely and this goes right back to him beating Brook, a damaged goods Brook at that who was coming of a stoppage loss, a beating, back down from two divisions North after bulking up to fight up there and most importantly a terrible eye injury, gruesome surgery to repair it which entailed having his eyeball removed via his mouth so they could repair the broken bone.

    People don't realize how much that affected Brook mentally. He didn't only think his career was over he didn't know if he would even be able to see properly again out of the eye and his surgeon told him one more punch could've blinded him. So how in god's name do you think he felt as soon as he suffered the exact same injury to his other eye in the Spence fight, his next fight back after the surgery, when he knew he risked losing his sight in the eye and would have to go through the exact same hell he'd just been through after his previous fight all over again?

    Even worse his surgeon was sitting ringside and he shook his head at Brook when Brook looked over at him after suffering the injury. He was more than holding his own prior to the eye injury but he was a different fighter after suffering it and quite understandably so given everything he'd been through after his previous fight.

    Fact is Spence should never have been ranked in the P4P top 10 as prematurely as he was and even when he maybe did deserve it the insane lofty ranking he was afforded was never remotely warranted. He should never have been top 5 period and there isn't a single fighter in the current P4P top 10 he would beat if they were the same size as him.

    The amount of people who have had him #1 for ages is comical beyond words. I've personally seen people say that all the time on social media :facepalm:
     
  13. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    I'm a big fan of Spence but he isn't as good as fan boys make him out to be. My post and prediction from years ago. I have always said Crawford beats Spence and stops him.
     
  14. FrankinDallas

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    Chinny. Sure, down for the first time in 28 bouts.

    "People who had him #1". You mean current and ex boxers, trainers, managers, promoters and writers who make their living writing for thousands of readers? Yes, those people. Not "people" who write hating posts in random websites read by maybe 25 people.

    Personally I never had him top 10 just the best 147 pounder. Now obviously Crawford is the best WW.

    My last post of the weekend. We'll all move on to the next controversial topic.
     
  15. mafioso

    mafioso Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with everything you said but i would still rank him over inoue i mean inoue opposition aint world beaters either
     
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