David Haye (2009) Vs Anthony Joshua (2019 unbeaten) who wins??

"vitali never got stopped in normal sense"

Whether you lose due to your body failing you (shoulder injury due to missing punches), due to quitting (whether the reason is good or bad on balance for your health/career or not) or due to a combination of injury and politics (the least conclusive), you still lost. Joyce getting his eye smashed in by Zhang wasn't a conventional loss either, it still counts!

"if it was out on cobbles"

Even MMA has a lot of rules, it's not a street fight or to the death. "If I had a machine gun..."

"if your really desperate youll bring up the fella knocking him out with a kick which is totally different and in a different sport"

I'm not, I don't care about that. You clearly do though because otherwise why mention it? You're clearly obsessed with the idea that Vitali was an invincible superman. Probably same story with your support of "juggernaut" Joyce, who you were probably picking to beat Fury prior to Zhang exposing his lack of defence.

"fury has been down"

Getting up to win is an important part of the sport, something Vitali and Lewis had zero experience of doing. Much as it may go over your head, there are advantages in being dropped, especially if you get up to win: experience (potentially greater composure and confidence knowing you can overcome adversity), skillset (you may improve your defence in response, learn not to rely on your chin too much as Vitali/Joyce did in their biggest fights to their detriment), focus (less inclined to underestimate future opponents) and ease of underestimation (opponents think they can easily beat you by wearing you down with power, take the fight and build their gameplans around it, only to find themselves getting outboxed or stopped as Wlad and Wilder did). Fury getting dropped by Pajkic and Cunningham turned out to be beneficial for his career, perhaps it was the difference between him joining the losers club with Vitali!

Vitali also failed to drop or stop plenty of fighters who had been dropped and KO'd, fighters far easier to KO than Fury. His most impressive stoppage wins were over fringe contenders Donald (10) and Bean (11). He couldn't do anything with domestic level SHW Hoffmann, Kevin (KO'd in 2 by Joshua, who couldn't put a dent in Usyk over 24) and Briggs (KO'd early by a journeyman and Lewis, even schooled and dropped by "crap" McCline), despite his best efforts to KO them via throwing the kitchen sink (Fury by contrast has often been happy to go the distance). Vitali needed dozens or hundreds of headshots to stop domestic level Williams and Sosnowski in 8-10, failed to put a dent in blown-up LHW Byrd over 9 or McCall/Rahman one-punch victim Lewis over 6. Vitali was also kept away from the slick boxers, who Wlad was better at handling. Logically Vitali would have next to no chance of stopping Fury or Usyk.

I'd even give Usyk a better chance of stopping Vitali than the other way around based on the Byrd quitjob and "crap" (your description, despite being Vitali's 2nd best opponent) slick southpaw Byrd was no Usyk.

"you are biggest fan boy"

If I am it's a matter of degree: this boxing forum is (as you'd expect) packed with fanboys of particular fighters or eras. You are no different in that respect.

 

if that is the case, why are you even here?

 

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you seem to just moan. If being here is so terrible, leave.

 

Where was the "moaning" in my response?

If I didn't like the forum I would leave.