Until which Ali fight would Liston beat Ali?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ikrasevic, Sep 2, 2023.


Until which Ali fight would Liston beat Ali?

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  1. Henry Cooper

    5 vote(s)
    41.7%
  2. Doug Jones

    3 vote(s)
    25.0%
  3. Charlie Powell

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Archie Moore

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Alejandro Lavorante

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Billy Daniels

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. George Logan

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Don Warner

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Sonny Banks

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Ali would beat Liston before these fights

    4 vote(s)
    33.3%
  1. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    Or Muhammad Ali would have beaten Liston in 1961 and 1960?
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    You are looking at this the wrong way.

    Liston woudl have beaten Ali at the time of his first fight with Patterson, and after that Ali capitalizes on his lack of focus.

    Ali is only trading experience between fights, while Liston is trading professionalism.
     
  3. J.edwards_

    J.edwards_ Member banned Full Member

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    I think Liston could’ve got a decision when he actually fought Ali. I had him up on the cards but it was very close and I think I’m in a minority there. I suppose it depended on Liston more than anything.
     
  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Voting for Cooper as I think had Ali played around like he did against Cooper, Liston would’ve taken his head off.
     
  5. Bob Dobalina

    Bob Dobalina Active Member Full Member

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    I don’t see any way to even make a reasonable guess. Ali obviously would have fought the feared heavyweight champion Liston completely differently than how he fought any of his actual pre-1964 opponents. For all we know, any of those versions of Ali reasonably could have beaten Liston.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    For the love of God please make your polls public.
     
  7. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    I assume this is subject to their true, concurrent time lines. I will stick with that.

    Other permutations might’ve been 1) at what point in Ali’s career would he have been reasonably favoured to beat the prime version of Liston? OR 2) what is the earliest version of Ali that could’ve taken the 64 version of Liston that Ali did actually beat?

    Keeping it simple as per and in line with my first paragraph, I would say the Cooper fight also.

    Though a bit careless vs Henry, Ali was still growing and filling out and he really came home nicely at age 22 yo to land at an optimally (virtually) coordinated 210 lbs for Miami.
     
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  8. newurban99

    newurban99 Active Member Full Member

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    See my post on the thread: What if Ali was born 10 years earlier? It's an interesting question.