Is GGG An Alltime Great?

You're being shown something outside of the echo chamber which is inconsistent with your views of how close it was viewed.

Well no one got their hand raised in the first fight, so by your definition it wasn't a robbery. Further, outside this echo chamber, the fans saw both matches extremely close on a RBR basis. Neither of which adds up to a robbery. If everything's a robbery if who you see winning doesn't win, then every decision you disagree with would automatically be a robbery. A robbery is generally seen as more than just disagreeing with who won.

What you call overwhelming is largely based on an echo chamber consisting of GGG fans and media personalities who all were emotionally invested in GGG winning due to their hyping of the man leading into the fight and predicting a dominant win that never occurred, and then creating a biased "robbery" narrative about what happened to salvage their own credibility of what they thought would happen that never did. It had to be a robbery because that's the only way those who picked GGG to win big can be proven "right". In the end it was a self-fulfilling prophecy to spin what happened into a "robbery" after what happened in the ring proving their predictions drastically and "overwhelmingly" wrong.

Well I'm not dismissing GGG as a hypejob. I consider GGG as the real deal and Canelo's wins over him as career defining wins. And as I pointed out earlier, you don't need to argue GGG's record against Canelo should be anything other than what it was to argue he's an ATG, or to compare his MW resume to Hopkins, as based on official results (at MW) GGG had 2 LESS losses than Hopkins and the same number of draws (1), and GGG's draw was to a far better fighter than Hopkins and GGG's loss was to a better fighter than 2 of Hopkins losses. Granted the other was to RJJ but the point still stands, GGG still has a better MW winning % than Hopkins and much a higher KO %.

 

Bivol handled him like a toddler

 

He didn't come close to mowing him down. Yes he "handled" him, which largely was due to Canelo gassing in the mid rounds due largely to the weight he put on and going balls to the wall in rounds 1-4, but at no point was Canelo hurt or in any real trouble.

 

You aren't even trying to come to grips with how close the first match was. I know you think GGG won, and that's fine. But calling it a scandalous robbery. McGrain laid it out for you in a way that you can easily come to grips with what happened. But you refuse to. It doesn't require "essays" to illustrate what happened. It's blatantly obvious, and the previous post wasn't only directed at you but it was to further the GGG / Hopkins comparisons.

 

To me, he’s not. Not enough top names on his resume. Let Clenelo walk him down in the 2nd and 3rd fights…Went life and death with Daniel Jacobs and Derevyanchenko. Some think he really lost both…Faced an undersized Kell Brook for no reason but money…He had talent, some power and a granite chin but he was slow and robotic, no defense. He’s overrated by many. Cool nickname though.

But, he did win that first Clenelo fight. Was absolutely robbed. I do give him credit there…

 

He refused to fight Andre Ward when all that was available to him as Munroe, Brook and Lemiuex.
164 or no fight he said. I deserve more than an even and fair 50 -50 split he said.

True ATGs chase greatness. GGG never did. He chased easy fights

 

Well I'm glad you did, because it needed to be said. By someone other than me, since as you can see, I am unable to reason with Serge as it pertains to anything Canelo / GGG related. But with you it's different, you've given him something that perhaps he'll consider.

While I agree about the "soreness" amongst GGG fans, it doesn't have to be this way. It's one thing to be passionate about a fighter and think he won, or think the results of the trilogy doesn't feel right. I get that and I sympathize with GGG fans to that extent. It doesn't feel right because they expected GGG to not only win but to dominate. And when that didn't happen, their entered into a deep delusion which they refuse to shake out of. They just want to stay in that comfortable "robbery" bubble and what I'm saying is "look, I get you're upset, but carrying on like this is only making things worse".

It's OK to think GGG did enough to win but it's unhealthy to carry this much soreness around constantly and to exist in an exaggerated state.

 

The object of my sexual fetish? This according to the so-called "Ginger Dracula". I'll take that with a grain of salt. In essence it's more than a little creepy to see you staning so hard for GGG while refusing to see something for what it was, as others have attested to, and continue to exist in a exaggerated, hyperbolic like state as it pertains to the objects of your obsession and "soreness".

 

It fits you perfectly. It's your definitive identity.