Zhilei Zhang vs Joe Joyce II - September 23, 2023

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Zhilei Zhang vs Joe Joyce

Poll closed Sep 25, 2023.

  1. Zhang by KO/TKO

    90 vote(s)
    59.6%

  2. Zhang by decision

    12 vote(s)
    7.9%

  3. Joyce by KO/TKO

    21 vote(s)
    13.9%

  4. Joyce by decision

    17 vote(s)
    11.3%

  5. Difficult to predict, could go either way

    11 vote(s)
    7.3%
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  1. Csonnyliston

    Csonnyliston Sam Langford P4P GOAT Full Member

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    Good analysis. Joyce UD for me as well, likely a controversial UD.
     
    Csonnyliston, Sep 19, 2023
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  2. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    If Zhang trained his cardio and did sparring for this one he'd probably going to wreck Joyce even worse. Joyce's problems are pretty damn large, in that he has little defence and glacial speed. No amount of practice is going to be able to improve his speed whereas Zhang can certainly improve his cardio. In my opinion Zhang is simply the better faster boxer and its his fight to lose.
     
    BCS8, Sep 19, 2023
    BCS8, Sep 19, 2023
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  3. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Joyce boxes more cautiously but still outworks the aging Zhang for a tight and probably controversial decision.

    Not expecting fireworks. If it is fireworks, Joyce likely is getting KTFO.
     
    Lesion of Doom, Sep 19, 2023
    Lesion of Doom, Sep 19, 2023
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  4. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    That scenario requires Joyce being able to stop the straight left. If he can't do that, then the fight will not be close.
     
    Rilz, Sep 19, 2023
    Rilz, Sep 19, 2023
    #79
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes that's definitely the case with them wanting to face southpaws to help them prepare for Usyk

    Wallin would've been a much better choice. He still would've been a risky opponent to opt to face when you're already in a mandatory position, and I think he would've caused him stylistic issues, but Big Bang obviously hits much harder than him and I think Big Joe would still be the interim champ now had he opted to face Wallin instead.
     
    Serge, Sep 19, 2023
    Serge, Sep 19, 2023
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    People should really know better by now than to bet against a Brit in a rematch

    To name just a tiny few

    Lennox Lewis vs Rahman and McCall
    Leigh Wood vs Lara
    AJ vs Fat Andy
    Warrington was going to batter the ever loving crap out of Lara in their rematch had Lara not gone full angry billy goat and started butting him like crazy

    Thing is we Brits are very versatile and adaptable and we can box and brawl with anyone and if we opt to use our slickness it's game over

    What happened when Wood turned slickster against Lara and AJ did the same against Fat Andy? They took them to school and won every round

    Sure Usyk was able to beat AJ twice and Ali beat Cooper and Bugner twice but it's Usyk and Ali for goodness sake, both of whom have stepped up to Brit Level many times

    Big Bang should rightfully start as favourite and of course he can definitely win again, but don't be surprised if Big Joe switches to slick mode and outboxes him or knocks him out in the back half of the fight.

    My head tells me Big Bang will repeat the trick but obviously I am fully aware of the fact that we Brits are just built different

    Regarding Big Bang getting robbed should it go the distance? Sure that's a concern but he's actually signed to Queensbury Promotions now and Big Joe has never been one of Big Frank's favourites (Dubois is his 2nd fav HW). Big Bang becoming full champ could prove a very lucrative signing for Big Frank given the size of the Chinese market.
     
    Serge, Sep 19, 2023
    Serge, Sep 19, 2023
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  7. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joyce is a slow plodder. Don't see much changing.
     
    fists of fury, Sep 19, 2023
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Big Bang got his own 42 minute 'Becoming a Boxing Champion' documentary on Top Rank

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    Serge, Sep 19, 2023
    Serge, Sep 19, 2023
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  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Unfortunately, no. Time just slipped away from me on this one
     
    Rumsfeld, Sep 19, 2023
    Rumsfeld, Sep 19, 2023
    #84
  10. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GGGunbeatable, Sep 20, 2023
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  11. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Surely Zhang is mandatory for Usyk after this?

    Usyk vs Zhang would be interesting fight.
     
    Vegan Beast, Sep 20, 2023
    Vegan Beast, Sep 20, 2023
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  12. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Let's go Zhang Tsung. Via soul snatch like last time.
     
    Babality, Sep 20, 2023
    Babality, Sep 20, 2023
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  13. LaidOut

    LaidOut Whaaaaat? Full Member

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    Oooof, this will only be like the second decent HW top-10 matchup ALL YEAR, so shame you couldn't prepare something. At any rate, no worries, we know life gets in the way sometimes.
     
    LaidOut, Sep 20, 2023
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  14. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Joyce looks way lighter to me. Maybe 20lb lighter than first fight. Lighter on feet plan.
     
    On The Money, Sep 20, 2023
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  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have Zhang winning again, and if Joyce somehow manages to outlast him I think it will be a pyrrhic victory. He'll just take so much damage over two fights. Because I don't see how he'd all of a sudden develop the defence to avoid Zhang's punches. He's always been there to hit. Zhang punches just did too much damage.
     
    Bokaj, Sep 20, 2023
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