How much blame should Dempsey get for not fighting Wills?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by catchwtboxing, Sep 22, 2023.


How much blame does he get?

  1. It's his fault.

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  2. Some blame...he tried to make it but he could of tried harder.

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  3. You can't really blame him personally, but he'll always have the stigma, regardless

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  4. It wasn't his fault. He wanted the fight.

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  1. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Reading a bit on Dempsey and it seems like his management wanted to draw the color line more than him. Regardless who's fault it was it still hurts his legacy.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    As much or as little as you like. It's not the pertinent matter (most of the time). Just don't pretend it doesn't matter that he didn't. Just don't pretend it doesn't matter when he never defeated a number-one contender as champ. Because it absolutely does matter.
     
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  3. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's not like he was a kid who only held the title for a year or so. He held the title for seven years and was one of the most inactive heavyweight champions of all-time. He was mature and independent enough to break away from Kearns during the middle of his championship reign. He was calling the shots from that time on. I don't buy the argument that Rickard could have stopped Dempsey from fighting Wills if Jack had wanted to make the match instead of being intent on playing it safe by avoiding his No. 1 challenger. By the time he broke away from Kearns, he was undoubtedly a pretty savvy guy, pretty well conversant in legal and practical matters. He couldn't have spent all his time in Hollywood just mugging in front of a camera. He must have learned something about business matters from all those high-rolling Hollywood actors and producers. He sure spent enough time away from boxing while in California to have time to reflect upon and strategize about his boxing career.
     
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  4. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    People out here talking about the Coloured heavyweight title and the Caucasian heavyweight title fighters, who were both so good but let me tell you something, and I don't want to get banned again, because this is not racialist but the Asian heavyweight title of that time...? Ain't nobody on the boards ever cared about those dudes enough to ask if it was a problem for anybody's legacies that they didn't bother with them. Because they were not good then. Not good at all. I'm not saying that was inherent, but they were at least not bringing their A games at that time.
     
  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    That's all I'll say. No hatin'.
     
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I'm sure they were involved with other things that they did well.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I can't cite any of them right now, off the top of my head.
     
  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    It certainly doesn't mean that those things don't exist.