Gerry Cooney in a time machine lands in 1964.

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  1. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Gerry Cooney in a time machine lands in 1964. Gerry finds himself in 1964, Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) has just beaten Sonny Liston for the title. Cooney with his new manager have decided that he has to face the likes of contenders, Sonny Liston, Ernie Terrell, Doug Jones, Eddie Machen, Floyd Patterson, Cleveland Big Cat Williams, Zora Folley, Karl Mildenberger and Henry Cooper. How does Cooney fare against each of those contenders?
     
  2. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    Interesting scenario, he probably makes a name for himself and would eventually get his shot. I don't think the other contenders of the mid 60s could've beaten him, but I think Ali would've whipped him pretty easily
     
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  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    How about durable Ernie Terrell or Sonny Liston against Gerry Cooney?
     
  4. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Gerry Cooney at the height of his career was 25-0 when he fought Holmes. Gerry went down in the second off a good right from Larry Holmes.

    Liston, Williams and Folley would land on him and hurt him, Liston might even stop it early depending on his mental state after the loss to Clay/Ali.

    Everyone else you mentioned may not have been fully prepared for a left hook from hell from the 6'6" 240lb giant of a man. Remember George Foreman was nicknamed "Big" George and he was smaller than Cooney.

    I could see Gerry having some success but coming up just short against most.
     
  5. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    Liston was getting up there in age and with injuries but he could probably pull it off, Terrell I'm not so sure
     
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    Ernie Terrell had just defeated Cleveland Williams by a split 10 round decision in April 1963.
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I'd favor Liston, Williams, and Machen with confidence. I don't think Folley's chin holds tbh. Patterson is 50-50. Much more skilled fighter but a severe size disadvantage. Gun to my head I'd go with Patterson.

    Edit: Just saw this was '64. Machen was a shell of himself. Cooney wins that one as well.
     
  8. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    In 1964 he would get beaten by both Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali
     
  9. Fergy

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    Terrell wun Cooney
    Liston ko 7 Cooney
     
  10. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gerry will come forward to Liston, If you think Cooneys beating at the hands of Holmes put him into a funk wait till Sonny's jab hits his face.
     
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    Probably ends much the same way.

    His power and natural talent propel him up there, and he is marketable for teh same reasons, but eventually he is going to run into a Holmes.

    Then his own vices will do the rest.
     
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    I like Doug Jones's chances. I could probably get favorable odds. Doug was a good boxer. He threw quick combinations, was aggressive, liked to move inside suddenly and throw, and he probably punched as hard as Michael Spinks.
     
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    I agree about Floyd. He certainly had the speed and power to put Gerry on ***** street. Machen was no longer at the top of his game but he knew a lot of tricks, could hit with both hands and was an excellent defensive fighter. And he was strong and athletic, like a football player. I think he was better than anyone Cooney ever beat, when you consider the ages of Gerry's best-known victims. I'd be tempted to pick the Eddie of 1964.

    Off the subject, I met a man in Chiang Mai, Thailand who had worked at the mental hospital where Machen had once resided. He was no fan of Mr. Machen. He said Eddie hurt a lot of staff members there during his wild outbursts.
     
  14. Blofeld

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    Great thread! I feel Gerry had so many demons, addictions and mental health issues that these may sink him. However as a purely physical specimen back then I see him cleaning up if he can hold it together upstairs!
     
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  15. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Outburst on the Mental Health Units are very common, especially with individuals who suffer from Bipolar, remember I used to work on two Mental Health Units after I obtained my degree in Psychology, it is very easy to suffer injuries. I once got bitten by a patient that we were attempting to restrain after he assaulted another patient, I received a Tetanus shot, had the wound cleaned out by the Emergency Room Physician. By 1964, Eddie Machen was on his way out as a serious contender. On July 5 1964, Eddie was beaten by Floyd Patterson on points in a bout that took place in Sweden, Floyd had recalled that he had Machen hurt several times but backed off of him because of Eddie spending time in a Mental Institution. The only reason that Eddie Machen fought Ernie Terrell for the vacant WBA Title on March 5 1965 was because the contender named to fight Terrell, Cleveland Big Cat Williams was recovering from a gunshot wound suffered in an altercation with a Texas State Trooper on Nov 30 1964.
     
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