The 10-8 round conundrum

In what was a clear 10-6 first-round score for Pacquiao, against Marquez in their first contest, Burt Clements only marked it a 10-7 round, resulting in his card reflecting a Draw.

Reportedly, Clements would later admit that he didn't realize a 10-6 score was permitted. But this was not seen as a sufficient basis for a legitimate protest.

Had a rule been in existence which mandated the scoring relevant to knockdowns, with discretion taken out of it, Pacquiao would have taken the 'W' - Or, at least had grounds to request that the Decision be overturned.

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You make some good points. But take a round that one guy wins because he landed one or two eye-catching-but-not-especially-damaging punches while being outjabbed and outlanded. Isn’t it at least a little problematic that a round like that is worth as much as a round where he controls the whole round, lands 12 more jabs and a few good combinations (but again, doesn’t really damage him)?

That Leonard-Duran card was awful, but I wouldn’t have a problem seeing one or two 10-10 rounds per fight.

Thanks, I’d always thought Del invented the name. I just found out about the Monkees’ version last year, when I finally decided to look up the back story/meaning.

 

Absolutely agree in respect of having greater and more specific scoring criteria that has to be rigidly adhered to, which naturally = less discretionary powers available to judges.

That leans it more toward objective, rather than subjective, scoring.

It could still mean you might not necessarily agree with the criteria laid down - but at least you will be able to better measure up a judges card against the more specific criteria he’s supposed to adhere to in his/her scoring.

For one thing, a 10-8 round without a KD is incongruent with an automatic 10-8 round that is awarded exactly due to a KD.

The former scoring invites more subjectivity while the latter scoring is black and white adherence to criteria.

KDs are heavily weighted in scoring for obvious reasons - fighters who do not suffer or stoically avoid the fate of a KD should be duly and proportionally “rewarded” in relative balance.

 

I’d heard the name Bob Dobalina before also but only from this song, which I see now was inspired by and sourced from the Monkees TV show - the original reference point.

Something for you get down and jiggly with St Pat - that’s IF your knees can hold out.

PS - Oops, I only just saw BD’s preceding post.

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Yes. While I see both sides of the argument, the inherent subjectivity of scoring boxing rounds remains one of the sport's biggest challenges. A 10-8 round without a KD begs the question of what is the threshold for a 10-8 round? (the conundrum focused on in this very thread)

Given that three judges can already use the current criteria for 'winning' and 'even' round scoring and each of them offer up a different score for the same round, the enablement of judges to use yet another nebulous baseline for scoring at a wider margin makes no sense to me.

At least a KD is a clear indication to all three judges of effective aggression and clean hard-punching, on the one side, and/or poor defense on the other - sufficient enough to halt the action. The threshold question is solved beforehand.

For judges who seemingly already have problems seeing the same thing, why make it any more complicated than that?

 

For the last year (almost) I’ve been working out 2-3 days a week at a friend’s garage that he turned into a gym of sorts (heavy bag, uppercut bag, double-end bag) — ironically, I taught him to box when he was a teenager and had him as an amateur and for a few of his 20 or so pro fights (but most of his pro career was after joining the military) — and we always play one of those randomizer internet ‘radio station’s set to old-school hip-hop. I’d say maybe 3-4 times a month Mista Dobalina pops up when we’re working out, haha.

 

Look out, you sound like you’re currently armed and dangerous. Looking for some ackshun.

Mister D could become your version of Sonny Liston’s The Night Train.

Now that you’re fit and ready, can you please take on one or both of those Logan brothers and put them and US out of our miseries?

 

Turns out I’m no longer eligible for rookie of the year, so I think I’ll stick to the bags that don’t punch back … they wear me out plenty.