IF Tyson Fury retired tomorrow...

Are you kidding me ? Tyson beat 8 top 10 ranked fighters during between 86-90, and unified and cleaned up the division in a 4 year period basically beating every worthwhile contender, former champion, that was around. Including stopping two ATG's in Holmes, Spinks, that had over a combined 100 fights and were only stopped once in their career by Tyson. Tyson brutalizing Michael Spinks would be comparable to Fury destroying Usyk now.

It's nothing to do with Fury being British or Tyson being a American....Fury has made a mockery of the sport in the last few years and his resume is paper thin. Tyson went through and cleaned up a division in 4 years in one of the most destructive dominant displays ever for a Heavyweight champion that's why he's highly rated....plus regarding the eye test Tyson still looks amazing with his speed, athleticism, power, etc.

And finally you say who on Tyson's resume that Fury wouldn't beat ? well let's flip the question around and let's ask who on Fury's resume wouldn't Tyson of beaten ? Whyte ? Chisora ? Wilder ? Old Wladimir ? MMA fighter lol ?

Tyson in a 4 year period between 86-90 has twice as many wins over ranked opponents than Fury who become champion 8 years ago let that sink in.

 

"still hasn't fought"

Lewis didn't fight pre-prison Tyson, Bowe, Moorer, Foreman, Holmes, Ibeabuchi, Byrd, Wlad, Sanders.

You could make a dozen excuses for Lewis not fighting these guys, that's fine.

"You are criticizing Wladmir for not fighting Vitali"

Your argument was that Fury can't have the best record of this era until he's beat (current No.2) Usyk, when Wlad didn't fight Vitali and lost to Fury. Was Wlad not the No.1 of his era, despite not beating either of the other top 3 H2H/accomplished fighters of his reign?

"You're biased"

We all are, you no less than I.

"you're not making any sense at all."

Does Wlad's 13-5 trump Fury's 9-0-1? I would say it doesn't, especially considering that Fury beat the best and most dangerous opponents, usually on the road.

"Wladmir also has a far more impressive record than Fury"

The reason why you claim to rank Wlad's record (which was SLATED back in the day) above Fury's is because Wlad's a prolific member of the "loser club". He's relatively "safe".

 

I am significantly less biased than you because you don't apply the same criteria to Fury that you do for other boxers. At no point did I ever give Wladmir a pass for not fighting Vitali, yet Wladmir's resume is still significantly better than what Fury brings to the table. When Vitali retired, Wladmir was the clear #1 of his era.

It isn't just Usyk, Fury hasn't fought Ruiz, Zheng, Joshua, etc. Quite a few people he missed. Wladmir cleared out his era aside from Vitali. Lewis cleared out his era. As for the people Lewis didn't fight, I'm not even going to bother addressing that because you can look it up yourself if you had any desire to be honest (you're not).

Let me know if and when Fury gets in the ring with Usyk and if he beats him. Until then, he is lucky to be ranked top 20. Cry about it if you want. Either way we're done here.

 

"Lewis cleared out his era. As for the people Lewis didn't fight, I'm not even going to bother addressing that"

"At no point did I ever give Wladmir a pass for not fighting Vital"

Blatant double standards. Wlad doesn't get a pass for not fighting his brother, Fury doesn't get a pass for not fighting x, y and z (regardless of whether they avoided him or whatever) but Lewis gets a pass for not fighting 8/9 names, because it's assumed that he was blameless in all cases. And even if he was (he wasn't), he didn't fight them.

"When Vitali retired, Wladmir was the clear #1 of his era."

Which retirement? And even though Wlad was No.1 on accomplishment from 2005-2015, he never beat the other members of the top 3 in terms of accomplishment or H2H ability, losing to one of them.

I'd still say Wlad was No.1 despite this because of his body of work, just as Fury's No.1 right now on his. Hence Rummy's Corner: "At this time I think he (Fury) is clearly the most accomplished heavyweight in the post-Klitscko era."

"yet Wladmir's resume is still significantly better than what Fury brings to the table"

Highly subjective whether Wlad's 13-5 trumps Fury's 9-0-1, against better opponents and more adverse conditions (Fury being away from home in his four biggest fights against 6'5+ athletic KO artist long reigning champions, underdog 4x to Wlad's 2x or 3x).

 

Would Ali,Tyson,Holmes,Liston,Holyfield,Lewis,Dempsey,Frazier,both Klitschkos & others mentioned in ATG lists go life & death & get gifted a decision by a corrupt & incompetent referee against John McDermott?

I don't think so!

 

Fury is slightly better than Francis Ngannu in boxing.

 

Fury has quite literally one of the worst CV’s of any heavyweight champion ever.

A washed Wlad and some wins over a can crusher who hasn’t beaten anybody of note is Fury’s CV. It’s actually pretty pathetic if we are being honest.

At best he’s the second best heavyweight of this era behind AJ…and that is if we are being generous. AJ has been in twice as many world title fights for starters.

 

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Wladimir beat 12-13 top 10 heavyweights as opposed to 3-4 for Fury. That's a pretty massive edge in depth. Likewise Lewis has roughly 11 top 10 heavyweights on his resume so a far deeper resume than Fury.

What Lewis did would be the equivalent of Fury also beating Hrgovic, Usyk, Zhang, Bakole, Makhmudov, Povetkin, and Ortiz but missing out on Joshua, Ajagba, Sanchez, and Jalolov or something like that.

 

So let me get this straight, NEETSHEAN/Redbeard/CodeRed is defending Fury fighting Panieta, Schwarz and an 0-0 boxer, but has the audacity to drag Lewis because he “didn't fight pre-prison Tyson, Bowe, Moorer, Foreman, Holmes, Ibeabuchi, Byrd, Wlad, Sanders.”



Fury fan logic

 

And every single one of those names are pretty easy to explain.

When Tyson was at his best in the 80's, Lewis had only just left the amateurs and was on the rise as a novice. When Tyson went to prison, Lewis had just established himself as an elite. When Tyson came back, Tyson paid Lewis step aside money to focus on Holyfield since that was the big mega fight built up for nearly a decade that was delayed due to prison. It was just bad timing for them that their careers didn't cross until later.

Moorer lost his championship to Foreman, then built himself back up the ranks against lesser opponents before he was battered by Holyfield in the rematch. Lewis fought Holyfield and Foreman wasn't too interested in fighting elites anymore and just wanted a few more paydays before retiring.

Ibeabuchi was barely around that long before he went to prison and had a very thin resume with just 2 elite wins. It wasn't Lewis job to hunt down a 16-0 guy who hadn't proven himself anyways.

Wladmir was basically a young contender when Lewis had grown old and fat ready to retire. Besides, Lewis had the guts to fight Vitali when he really didn't need to and had nothing left to prove at that point.

I could go on, but as I said, all of this is pretty easy to look up. Only someone desperate to defend Fury's thin resume would try to throw Wladmir and Lewis under the bus as if they were just frauds and duckers.

 

He's probably not in the top 100 all time, and if he is he barely edges it.

If you think Fury is a top 10 to top 50 boxer of all time you need to find a new hobby cuz boxing clearly isn't working out for you.

 

Fury's resume:
Pajkic
McDermott
Pianeta
Wilder
War Chisora
Wallin
Blonde bomber Schwarz
Seferi
MMA Ngannou
CW Cunningham
+ staring contest with 40 year old Wlad and he arguably lost to at least 3 of the fighters in the list above and got floored by 4 of them.

Not bad, not bad. I would put him in the top 100 ahead of Jess Willard at 99.

 

Mad that Fury still has people swinging from his shrunken testicles.

In regards to the lineal "title" ....if a new line can be started when a fighter retires i.e. Marciano, Lewis.....why wasn't a new one started when Fury wasn't an active fighter? It was just put on hold for him? Surely the fight between AJ and Wlad would have been the start of a new line? In which case Usyk is currently lineal

 

top 3 for sure, in my top the only guy who can beat a prime fury lets say the version of fury from the second bout against wilder, is lennox and maybe vitali too

 

this doesn't matter. ATG status is based on actual accomplishments, not hypotheticals....