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Terence Crawford is the most overrated boxer in the past 23 years.

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tarrant45 said: ↑

I don't recall Calzaghe ever being called an ATG or even a P4P fighter, he is actually underrated as a fighter so thats a bad example.
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You must be living under a rock. He was regarding as a P4P fighter at one stage. Do your research.

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Apparently having some decent wins now makes you a lock as being an ATG.
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Just like the HOF the bare minimum & you're squeezed right in.

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bjl12 said: ↑

this you ?
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Interesting records of receipts there and just as I expected quite pathetic.

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Hilarious.

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Serge said: ↑

How many times has Crawford been outweighed by 2, 3 or 4 divisions?

How many times has he even been outweighed by 1?

How many times has he been giving away almost 6'' in reach in any of his world title fights which are his only fights at the world level?

How many times has he even been giving away 2'' or even 3'' in them?

How many times even just 1'' in them?

How many times has he fought outside the US?

How many times has he had to fight an opponent with a home ref and three home judges?

He's had US refs for every signal pro fight IIRC and as per usual a scandalous amount of US judges even for fights against foreigners

How many legit punchers has he fought?

How many KO artists?

How many his size?

One and he was dropped by them

How many legit punchers or KO artists has he fought who weighed 2 or 3 divisions more than him, in their countries with a home ref and three home judges and significant or huge reach advantages on him?

Take your pick from this motley crew of complete featherfists, average punchers, glass-jawed leprechauns, unathletic plodders, senior citizens, shot cyclops, and peg-leg cripples.

This is featherfist, non-athletes, and C level Central

Klimov
Postol
Burns
Indongo
Beltran
Jean
Lundy
Horn
Diaz
Dulorme
Khan
Benavidez
Porter
Brook
Avanesyan
Molina
Egis
Gamboa
Spence

I want answers to these questions

For the record, Teofimo would be his best ever opponent, the hardest puncher he'd ever fought P4P, the most athletic and explosive, let alone a two division heavier Teofimo with a 3'' reach advantage in Teofimo's backyard with a home ref and three home judges when Crawford was injured.

If tiny much lighter Gamboa with a 9'' shorter reach who had no right being at 135 can badly hurt Crawford with a solitary right hand and have him a clean punch or two away from a KO loss then god knows what a same size Teofimo would do to Crawford with one of his bombs, let alone a much bigger and heavier and longer Teofimo than him

As for Loma running from the way bigger murderous punching Teofimo

Crawford ran all night from the 5lb lighter featherfisted Postol who couldn't wobble a toddler with a baseball bat, sans the two flash KDs one of which was a rabbit punch

Super Boots is the super fast power punching athletic phenom at 147 that Teofimo was at 135 but Crawford wants zero to do with him after previously saying he deserved his shot before Crawford beat Spence even though the fight would be in Crawford's country, with home refs and judges where he will get a fair shake, he weighs about the same as Super Boots and has the same reach as him.

Now imagine Super Boots weighed two divisions heavier than Crawford, with a 3'' reach advantage, and came from a foreign country which Crawford had to travel to in order to fight him with the ref and all three judges coming from Super Boots' country. There's not a chance in hell Crawford would even dream of contemplating fighting him and we all know it. He won't dare go near him as it stands now for goodness sake.

FTR, I think Crawford is an excellent fighter and one of the best in the world and of his generation but, duh, obviously it's far easier to go unbeaten and be ''dominant'' when you're facing light to average punching opponents you're much bigger than, bigger than, or roughly your size, who you always have a reach advantage over, often have a big/significant weight and reach advantage over, in your country with home refs and judges where the deck is stacked in your favour in weight divisions you're gigantic, very big or big for

Than it is facing big punching or murderous punching ones who weigh 2 or 3 divisions more than you (and power is obviously magnified when your opponents are much heavier than you), with significant or huge reach advantages on you, on the road or in their backyards in divisions you're tiny for

Loma who, unlike Crawford who is big even for his third weight class, looks at worst the same size as all those career 147s he's fought, still looks drained at weigh ins for his third weight, is tiny for his third weight class and is facing opponents who have huge physical advantage on him and lots of big punchers or even KO artists who are much bigger than him with big or huge reach advantages and hit hard for a division he doesn't belong in.

Loma is routinely doing things Crawford has never done or has done very rarely. When Loma moves up in weight he is actually facing opponents who hold big/huge physical advantages on him, whereas, conversely, Crawford does so he's often still been the bigger man or at worst been facing opponents who are roughly the same size as him so when you hurl rocks at Loma I'm gonna hurl them right back at Terry and smash that glasshouse to smithereens

Again, Crawford is a superb fighter but this is all basic commonsense
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CRY harder brown boy teofemale Lopez the one that lost to little george? you must gay gay cause you acting like a chick all in her feelings

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elmaldito said: ↑

if tank ever goes up to 147 and acclimated he’s stopping Bum Crawfish. Book it.

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Lol you a clown, bud smokes midget tank. You must be another bitter lawnmower
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Shut up *****
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You big MAD

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Serge said: ↑

How many times has Crawford been outweighed by 2, 3 or 4 divisions?

How many times has he even been outweighed by 1?

How many times has he been giving away almost 6'' in reach in any of his world title fights which are his only fights at the world level?

How many times has he even been giving away 2'' or even 3'' in them?

How many times even just 1'' in them?

How many times has he fought outside the US?

How many times has he had to fight an opponent with a home ref and three home judges?

He's had US refs for every signal pro fight IIRC and as per usual a scandalous amount of US judges even for fights against foreigners

How many legit punchers has he fought?

How many KO artists?

How many his size?

One and he was dropped by them

How many legit punchers or KO artists has he fought who weighed 2 or 3 divisions more than him, in their countries with a home ref and three home judges and significant or huge reach advantages on him?

Take your pick from this motley crew of complete featherfists, average punchers, glass-jawed leprechauns, unathletic plodders, senior citizens, shot cyclops, and peg-leg cripples.

This is featherfist, non-athletes, and C level Central

Klimov
Postol
Burns
Indongo
Beltran
Jean
Lundy
Horn
Diaz
Dulorme
Khan
Benavidez
Porter
Brook
Avanesyan
Molina
Egis
Gamboa
Spence

I want answers to these questions

For the record, Teofimo would be his best ever opponent, the hardest puncher he'd ever fought P4P, the most athletic and explosive, let alone a two division heavier Teofimo with a 3'' reach advantage in Teofimo's backyard with a home ref and three home judges when Crawford was injured.

If tiny much lighter Gamboa with a 9'' shorter reach who had no right being at 135 can badly hurt Crawford with a solitary right hand and have him a clean punch or two away from a KO loss then god knows what a same size Teofimo would do to Crawford with one of his bombs, let alone a much bigger and heavier and longer Teofimo than him

As for Loma running from the way bigger murderous punching Teofimo

Crawford ran all night from the 5lb lighter featherfisted Postol who couldn't wobble a toddler with a baseball bat, sans the two flash KDs one of which was a rabbit punch

Super Boots is the super fast power punching athletic phenom at 147 that Teofimo was at 135 but Crawford wants zero to do with him after previously saying he deserved his shot before Crawford beat Spence even though the fight would be in Crawford's country, with home refs and judges where he will get a fair shake, he weighs about the same as Super Boots and has the same reach as him.

Now imagine Super Boots weighed two divisions heavier than Crawford, with a 3'' reach advantage, and came from a foreign country which Crawford had to travel to in order to fight him with the ref and all three judges coming from Super Boots' country. There's not a chance in hell Crawford would even dream of contemplating fighting him and we all know it. He won't dare go near him as it stands now for goodness sake.

FTR, I think Crawford is an excellent fighter and one of the best in the world and of his generation but, duh, obviously it's far easier to go unbeaten and be ''dominant'' when you're facing light to average punching opponents you're much bigger than, bigger than, or roughly your size, who you always have a reach advantage over, often have a big/significant weight and reach advantage over, in your country with home refs and judges where the deck is stacked in your favour in weight divisions you're gigantic, very big or big for

Than it is facing big punching or murderous punching ones who weigh 2 or 3 divisions more than you (and power is obviously magnified when your opponents are much heavier than you), with significant or huge reach advantages on you, on the road or in their backyards in divisions you're tiny for

Loma who, unlike Crawford who is big even for his third weight class, looks at worst the same size as all those career 147s he's fought, still looks drained at weigh ins for his third weight, is tiny for his third weight class and is facing opponents who have huge physical advantage on him and lots of big punchers or even KO artists who are much bigger than him with big or huge reach advantages and hit hard for a division he doesn't belong in.

Loma is routinely doing things Crawford has never done or has done very rarely. When Loma moves up in weight he is actually facing opponents who hold big/huge physical advantages on him, whereas, conversely, Crawford does so he's often still been the bigger man or at worst been facing opponents who are roughly the same size as him so when you hurl rocks at Loma I'm gonna hurl them right back at Terry and smash that glasshouse to smithereens

Again, Crawford is a superb fighter but this is all basic commonsense
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Lmao Loma got three loses out of like 20 fights. Lomastinko is vastly overrated.

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Terence Crawford beats fighters who go into retirement afterwards

He is a pensioner beater

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OP is deranged because his fighter got smoked

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Yes.

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Its weird how Spence fans are tearing bud down in this thread completely ignoring that Spences resume is extremely overrated. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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But you picked Spence to make light work of Crawford.

You had Spence as being the next p4p king.

In the days leading up to the fight you said the winner was the clear p4p number 1.

So even though you knew Spence had been in a car crash, and even though you knew the date Spence had had his most recent fight, you still picked him to beat Crawford with ease.
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You won't get through to him. Every Spence fight since the crash was prefaced by Spence fans with the "we don't know how the crash affected him, we'll see on fight night". And no matter how well Spence did they never let go of the car crash. They kept that in their back pocket making that comment before every fight for when Spence finally lost.

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You won't get through to him. Every Spence fight since the crash was prefaced by Spence fans with the "we don't know how the crash affected him, we'll see on fight night". And no matter how well Spence did they never let go of the car crash. They kept that in their back pocket making that comment before every fight for when Spence finally lost.
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To be fair, we do not know why Crawford dominated the way that he did. I'm not saying Crawford wouldn't have won. But let's be honest, fighters who are less than Spence like Benavidez, Horn, Molina, Kava, and Avanysean did better than Spence who is superior to all those guys. We use the arguement "styles make fights" but Horn, who has a similar style to Spence, did much better. Taking context in consideration, I still don't know how good Crawford is. A win against, Tszyu, Ennis, Ortiz, and Charlo would solidify his greatness imo.

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To be fair, we do not know why Crawford dominated the way that he did. I'm not saying Crawford wouldn't have won. But let's be honest, fighters who are less than Spence like Benavidez, Horn, Molina, Kava, and Avanysean did better than Spence who is superior to all those guys. We use the arguement "styles make fights" but Horn, who has a similar style to Spence, did much better. Taking context in consideration, I still don't know how good Crawford is. A win against, Tszyu, Ennis, Ortiz, and Charlo would solidify his greatness imo.
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I don't think Horn is like Spence at all. Spence is more textbook and easier to time. Many fighters like Porter landed clean and hard on Spence early before Spence eventually wilted them under pressure. Also, this was the first fight we saw Crawford incorporate a power jab off the front foot which he never used against Horn.

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Reg said: ↑

I don't think Horn is like Spence at all. Spence is more textbook and easier to time. Many fighters like Porter landed clean and hard on Spence early before Spence eventually wilted them under pressure. Also, this was the first fight we saw Crawford incorporate a power jab off the front foot which he never used against Horn.
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FFHHFIanwKQ

Look at this video

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