Is DaVarryl “Touch of Sleep” Williamson underrated?

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's ok to be a fan of Wlad, you don't have to be a fanboy. Claiming that Wlad didn't duck Williamson 2 and implying that unranked unknown nonentity Eliseo Castillo was a more interesting or worthy opponent is fanboy stuff.

    An immediate rematch would have been very interesting because of the controversy of the first fight (should it have been stopped? Was Wlad going to win having been knocked down in the previous round with 5 to go?) Both men had a good chance to win, that's far more interesting than a rehabilitation knockover job. It's no coincidence that Sanders wasn't rematched and no coincidence that Brewster was waited out a few years. Wlad could have rematched Williamson to prove a point and set the record straight. It's not like Williamson was iron-chinned and couldn't realistically be KO'd. But he was dangerous, so it was swerved.

    "theoretically his opponent didn’t have to be great to win"

    There's nothing "theoretical" about it. He was coming off a loss to non-great Brewster, having previously been beaten by non-greats Sanders (although Sanders was a very dangerous 1-3 round fighter) and Puritty. He'd be knocked down three times by non-great Peter in his fight after next. The Williamson fight was in the balance and Wlad was very fortunate that it was stopped when it was.
     
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  2. The Long Count

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    We don’t know if Wlad was fortunate that the bout was stopped when it was, but I do know the fight was rightfully stopped when a clash of heads caused a horrible cut. You claim it was controversial and this is the first time I am hearing that. For all intent purposes it was clear cut and proper call. The fight was stinker and Wlad won. I think it was the start of Wlad’s domination of the division. You should debate another guy on this forum I forget his name I used to go back and forth with him - he hated Wlad - was truly obsessed with him. It was sad. But then another poster privately messaged me and told me he was autistic so I felt bad that I would kind of degrade his posts. Scan around on the site you’ll find his posts I’m not sure if he still does post. I think his name was the helmet head or something. Be well
     
  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eurosport:

    "The 29-year-old Klitschko, 44-3 (40), beat Byrd out of sight in 2000 and got by Williamson on a somewhat controversial split technical decision last October."

    It's a controversial topic on this forum. Other articles where it's described as controversial:

    https://www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/124094

    https://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=graham_tim&id=2047276

    https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk...ng-klitschko-turned-his-career-around-2483564

    Bleacher report article says the same

    The fight was pretty much the definition of inconclusive and controversial. 5 round "Split technical decision" is almost the most controversial way you can win a boxing match.

    "Horrible cut"

    The cut was not in a bad spot and I've seen worse be allowed to go on. Compare:

    https://img.championat.com/i/article/68/23/1.48976865668E+13.jpg

    https://boxingjunkie.usatoday.com/w...-121-1-e1639809553873.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1

    "We don’t know if Wlad was fortunate that the bout was stopped when it was"

    We don't know he would have lost but he was in obvious peril. He was fortunate to be given an instant-win rather than taking the significant risk of continuing in a dangerous fight that was only at the halfway point.

    Here's a blatant lie:

    “I don't see any sense in fighting Williamson again. For me this fight will not be a step forward. I understand his reasons for wanting to fight me. It's prestigious and financially favourable for him. But for me this fight will keep me at the same spot.” - Wlad Klitschko

    Wlad would have been next in line for a shot at Byrd had he won, instead he fought unranked Castillo and complained that Williamson leapfrogged him in the IBF rankings after he beat McCall 40 days later and ranked Jefferson after that.
     
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  4. The Long Count

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  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Trust me this guy despises Wlad."

    As much as you love him? I find that hard to believe.
     
  6. The Long Count

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    I’m just stating facts. Wlad won, and it was the start of an 11 year reign of dominance. You can agree on that? Anyway cheers. Search for Helmut head - be well.
     
  7. Redbeard7

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    You claimed that Wlad didn't duck a Williamson rematch and implied that unranked nonentity Eliseo Castillo was a better opponent.

    You claimed that the fight wasn't controversial.

    You claimed that "you need more than what Williamson's got to beat ATG Wlad", despite Wlad losing to a journeyman and two fringe contenders and Wlad being in serious trouble against Williamson halfway through the fight when he was given the instant-win by the doctor.

    You're a dishonest fanboy.
     
  8. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Journeyman at best.
     
  9. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Williamson was a journeyman, I shudder to think what guys like Chagaev and Chambers were.

    Williamson went through a few names on Wlad's record: Barrett, Jefferson, Brewster (multiple times), Brock (multiple times), Thompson. He also tried to make fights with Mercer and McCline in the pros, who bailed for one reason or another.
     
  10. northpaw

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    This answer is hilarious, but how I feel. I always enjoyed his fights because either he was gonna ice someone or he was gonna get iced (except when he got actually chased around by Chris Byrd of all people). The Joe Mesi fight when he looked like a deer in the headlights during fight instructions then did an impersonation of one that was struck by a semi 2 minutes later will be a permanent fixture in my mind.

    Allegedly his right hand was the weapon it was because he was a college quarter back and throwing the long ball strengthened it.
     
  11. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would say that anyone who has him outside of the top 2000 heavyweights of all time is underrating him.
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    Williamson was a good boxer who was competitive against wlad and was boxing a long game that was showing signs of success as early as the 4th round.. The signs of the Fury loss were all over this fight.
    The stoppage was bogus and definitely favoured wlad.
    The ibf wanted a rematch. Wk filed a lawsuit

    "However, the lawsuit seeks to bypass the elimination process, and have Klitschko immediately installed as Byrd’s mandatory challenger. Despite having been knocked out in two of his past six bouts and looking lackluster in a technical decision win against DaVarryl Williamson, Klitschko is asking the court to force a mandatory fight with Byrd."
     
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  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dumb boring comment from a dumb boring poster.
     
  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's interesting that Williamson, who came 1st or 2nd closest to beating Wlad out of his 64 victims, who took the 3rd least damage of his 69 opponents and who was blatantly swerved by team Wlad, is frequently unmentioned as one of Wlad's best opponents. Whereas several Wlad-victims with with no real gameplan and inferior attributes who were thoroughly dominated by Wlad are rated more highly. I think the Williamson fight is one they'd rather memory hole.
     
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