I think Parker is going to expose/dismantle everything Wilder is, a pure business protected hypejob.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Haviton, Dec 5, 2023.


Final poll - who wins this

  1. Parker decision

    14 vote(s)
    10.4%
  2. Parker KO

    17 vote(s)
    12.7%
  3. Wilder KO

    100 vote(s)
    74.6%
  4. Wilder decision

    3 vote(s)
    2.2%
  1. Haviton

    Haviton Member banned Full Member

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    Parker is 5th in the Ring magaizne, ex champion, and was in top 10 of boxrec and ring for 6-7 years., what the hell are you talking about, he never fought at this level and won.
     
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  2. Haviton

    Haviton Member banned Full Member

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    Prime Chisora, Ruiz, prime Takam
     
  3. Haviton

    Haviton Member banned Full Member

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    WIlder opponents except Fury and Ortiz are no names. Helenius isnt worth mentioning.
    Parker opponents are all names (not the last few coming from defeat of Joe Joyce) but he fought Joyce, he fought Joshua, he fought Whyte, prime Chisora, Ruiz and prime Takam.

    Why didnt Wilder fight Joyce, Hrgovic, Zhang or Joshua before, because they are names, easier to fight 45yo Ortiz, or all other no names + glass Jaw Helenius. Try to KO Zhang or Hrgovic, then talk the talk.
     
  4. Haviton

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    Both are better than 90% of WIlders CV, that is why. Wilder made defences with worse guys thaan Kean and Fury. They are average joes, that is right, but if you are pumping your defences with worse guy than that. that is saying something.
     
  5. like a boss

    like a boss have gloves will travel Full Member

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    I love the outrage in the leadup to every Wilder fight and it has been going on for 47 fights now.

    'He can't box.'

    'He's been lucky so far.'

    'His legs are too skinny.'

    'He isn't that big a puncher'

    and he just keeps knocking people off their feet.

    I lose no sleep whether he wins or loses. Just find him entertaining. But he is doing a lot of people's heads in. He has some armchair quarterbacks biting down on their gumshields in desperation :D
     
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  6. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'll remember this post alright.

    Wait, what did you say?
     
  7. Haviton

    Haviton Member banned Full Member

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    What do you mean what did I say
     
  8. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    OK that's enough Internet for you today
     
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  9. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I really hate picking Wilder in fights, but he's gonna stop Parker, that's all I can see happening. I would laugh my ass off if Parker were to win though.
     
  10. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    He is outweighed by some 40-60 pounds against opponents at a thin 6 foot 7 and it took 29 rounds for Tyson Fury to KO Wilder Horizontal.

    He took big shots from a murderous puncher in Ortiz and stayed standing.

    We've seen guys like Breazeale can crack when he lands and Wilder took big rights from him again still standing.

    That's a solid chin imo given his lightweight frame.
     
  11. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Okay, for a guy that's at the lighter end of the division, that's probably not too unfair...

    At the same time, there's no points for being smaller - and whilst he survived Ortiz (not without help) he was destroyed by Fury who isn't a huge puncher despite his weight.

    For his size it's probably above average - for a heavyweight in general, it's definitely nothing special.

    I presume by your weighing system that Usyk has the best P4P chin in the division?
     
  12. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you don't think Wilder wouldn't absolutely spank Kean and Hughie you are living in an alternative reality. If Wilder fought every Parker had he would beat them all bar maybe AJ in 2018. Resumes will be irrelevant when they fight and I think Wilder will spark Parker out.
     
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    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You do know that Helenius fought Joshua, too.

    And Helenius fought Whyte, too.

    And Helenius fought a 28-year-old Chisora, while Parker fought a 38-year-old Chisora. (Chisora, in his 14th year as a pro with 10 losses, WAS NOT PRIME when Parker fought him.)

    And Helenius fought Wilder and Kownacki and Sam Peter and Lamon Brewster and Sergei Liakhovich, who all **** all over Carlos Takam, right?

    Hell, Liakhovich arguably beat Andy Ruiz when they fought.

    Try harder.
     
  14. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Both guys have something to prove.

    Parker wants to show he has something left in the tank and can get back to the elite level. He doesn't want to be reduced to journeyman status.

    Wilder absolutely needs this win or the huge paydays on the horizon against Joshua and the Usyk/Fury winner will be gone forever.

    If both are in shape, I think we've got a classic war on our hands because both are motivated. It's a good clash between the more cagey mover Parker and the stalking sniper Wilder. Gun to my head, Wilder should be favored to win, although I think Parker's movement could Wilder trouble based on the Washington and Fury 1 fights. Probably late round KO.
     
  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I found this article which was interesting:

    https://www.secondsout.com/features...te-of-the-heavyweights-top-ten-year-in-review

    "All in all, in 2014 we saw six match-ups (Klitschko vs Pulev, Povetkin vs Takam, Stiverne vs Arreola II, Fury vs Chisora II, Perez vs Takam, Jennings vs Perez) between current Transnational Boxing Rankings Board (TBRB) or The Ring top 10-rated fighters. The best heavyweights are fighting the best and the division is heading in the right direction."

    "It seems that Povetkin is genuinely aiming to get back in the mix for a rematch with the Champ. The latest considerations seem to involve him facing TBRB #10, The Ring #8 contender Mike Perez for a chance to fight Stiverne vs Wilder winner"

    "In January Takam was slated as the opponent for then-TBRB #10 contender Mike Perez, who was coming off the ill-fated victory against Russian slugger Magomed Abdusalamov."

    Chisora and Cunningham were also rated in TBRB's heavyweight top 10 according to this article.

    "Still not the person to hang your resume on"

    Jennings isn't a great best win but neither are the best wins of Povetkin, Vitali or Haye. And at least Jennings was willing to get in with Ortiz because the likes of Takam, Chisora, Joyce and many others were not.

    "he got dropped three times - there is no getting around that."

    Wlad got dropped 3x by Peter but still won a clear UD. Even the judges had Ortiz winning more rounds than Ruiz if you combine their scorecards (19 for Ortiz, 17 for Ruiz) and Ruiz was seen as the more commercially valuable fighter (first Mexican champ, former champ, Joshua-conqueror, potential future Wilder opponent, 10+ years younger than Ortiz). I wouldn't say that Ruiz winning was a robbery by any means but one can easily see why he wasn't wanting to fight Ortiz 3-5 years and 1-2 KO defeats prior.

    "Prime Charles Martin, come on man. haha That fight was an open goal to devalue Joshua's resume"

    The only way it was going to devalue Joshua's resume in any way was if Martin got KO'd in 1-2 rounds. He'd already lost to Kownacki and was regarded as a joke, well outside Joshua's top 5 wins. As many were saying before the fight, it was Wilder's resume which was on the line. Ortiz was officially 42, coming off his 2nd KO defeat and virtually 25 months of inactivity. Martin had about double the boxing experience he had when he fought Joshua (Martin was a late starter) and his previous fight was a career best win and performance over Washington, who'd beat Helenius the fight prior. Martin was something like a 7/2 underdog, so he was giving a good outside chance of winning and it was seen as very likely that he'd at least extend Ortiz several rounds.
     
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