Harry Greb's 119 resume, vs the entire resume of other great fighters.

Certainly it would stack up against the "greats" of the modern era. I would also add that beating Leo Houck 3x that year is a better notch on the resume than Mike McTigue who was a cheese champion.

 

The 32.5lbs heavier Willie Meehan, who was coming off victories over (an admittedly past prime) Sam Langford and Jeff Smith, should be included.

Arguably Clay Turner x 3, too.

It wouldn't be the greatest resume of all time, but it wouldn't be too far outside the top 10, which is absurd.

 

yeah year for year Greb is number 1. But Not sure his 1919 year alone would top the likes of Robinson or Armstrong.

 

45-0 in 1919, with good quality wins over about 20, and a couple belt fights in the mix (but KOs were needed)! Yikes! Add in early 1920 and the run goes to 52-0. Has anyone else ever had a year like that?

(1919 is shown below, Source: Wikipedia.)

"172 Win 147–10–14 (1) Clay Turner NWS 6 Dec 22, 1919 Olympia A.C., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.
171 Win 146–10–14 (1) Billy Kramer NWS 10 Dec 15, 1919 Southside Market House, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.
170 Win 145–10–14 (1) Mike McTigue NWS 10 Dec 12, 1919 Ideal Park Pavilion, Endicott, New York, U.S.
169 Win 144–10–14 (1) Clay Turner NWS 10 Dec 10, 1919 Broadway Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, U.S.
168 Win 143–10–14 (1) Soldier Jones KO 5 (10) Nov 28, 1919 Broadway Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, U.S.
167 Win 142–10–14 (1) Zulu Kid NWS 10 Nov 27, 1919 Nonpareil A.C., Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania, U.S.
166 Win 141–10–14 (1) Larry Williams NWS 10 Nov 24, 1919 Southside Market House, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.
165 Win 140–10–14 (1) George K.O. Brown NWS 12 Nov 17, 1919 Canton Auditorium, Canton, Ohio, U.S.
164 Win 139–10–14 (1) Sailor Ed Petroskey NWS 6 Oct 13, 1919 Olympia A.C., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.
163 Win 138–10–14 (1) Silent Martin NWS 8 Sep 18, 1919 Coliseum, Saint Louis, Missouri, U.S.
162 Win 137–10–14 (1) Battling Levinsky NWS 10 Sep 3, 1919 Wheeling, West Virginia, U.S. ABA and WORLD light-heavyweight titles at stake (via KO only).
161 Win 136–10–14 (1) Jeff Smith NWS 12 Sep 1, 1919 Idora Park, Youngstown, Ohio, U.S.
160 Win 135–10–14 (1) Bill Brennan NWS 10 Aug 23, 1919 Forbes Field, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.
159 Win 134–10–14 (1) Terry Kellar PTS 15 Aug 11, 1919 Highland Park, Dayton, Ohio, U.S.
158 Win 133–10–14 (1) Joe Chip NWS 12 Jul 24, 1919 Idora Park, Youngstown, Ohio, U.S.
157 Win 132–10–14 (1) George K.O. Brown NWS 10 Jul 16, 1919 Wheeling Park, Wheeling, West Virginia, U.S.
156 Win 131–10–14 (1) Battling Levinsky NWS 6 Jul 14, 1919 Shibe Park, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
155 Win 130–10–14 (1) Bill Brennan PTS 15 Jul 4, 1919 Convention Hall, Tulsa, Oklahoma, U.S.
154 Win 129–10–14 (1) Mike Gibbons NWS 10 Jun 23, 1919 Forbes Field, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.
153 Win 128–10–14 (1) Yankee Gilbert TKO 4 (10) Jun 20, 1919 Wheeling, West Virginia, U.S.
152 Win 127–10–14 (1) Happy Howard NWS 10 Jun 18, 1919 Carney Auditorium, Erie, Pennsylvania, U.S.
151 Win 126–10–14 (1) Joe Borrell TKO 5 (6) Jun 16, 1919 Shibe Park, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.
150 Win 125–10–14 (1) Tommy Robson NWS 10 May 26, 1919 Arena, Syracuse, New York, U.S.
149 Win 124–10–14 (1) Bartley Madden NWS 10 May 13, 1919 Broadway Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, U.S.
148 Win 123–10–14 (1) Willie Meehan NWS 10 May 8, 1919 Duquesne Gardens, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.
147 Win 122–10–14 (1) Clay Turner PTS 12 May 6, 1919 Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.
146 Win 121–10–14 (1) Battling Levinsky NWS 12 Apr 28, 1919 Canton Auditorium, Canton, Ohio, U.S.
145 Win 120–10–14 (1) Leo Houck NWS 10 Apr 25, 1919 Carney Auditorium, Erie, Pennsylvania, U.S.
144 Win 119–10–14 (1) George Davis NWS 10 Apr 8, 1919 Broadway Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, U.S.
143 Win 118–10–14 (1) Young Fisher NWS 10 Apr 7, 1919 Arena, Syracuse, New York, U.S.
142 Win 117–10–14 (1) Tommy Madden KO 2 (10) Apr 2, 1919 Majestic Theater, Butler, Pennsylvania, U.S.
141 Win 116–10–14 (1) Billy Miske NWS 10 Mar 31, 1919 Duquesne Gardens, Erie, Pennsylvania, U.S.
140 Win 115–10–14 (1) Happy Howard NWS 10 Mar 25, 1919 Cambria Theatre, Johnstown, Pennsylvania, U.S.
139 Win 114–10–14 (1) Bill Brennan NWS 10 Mar 17, 1919 Duquesne Gardens, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.
138 Win 113–10–14 (1) Leo Houck NWS 6 Mar 6, 1919 Fulton Opera House, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, U.S.
137 Win 112–10–14 (1) Chuck Wiggins NWS 8 Mar 3, 1919 Elks Auditorium, Detroit, Michigan, U.S.
136 Win 111–10–14 (1) Chuck Wiggins NWS 12 Feb 28, 1919 Coliseum, Toledo, Ohio, U.S.
135 Win 110–10–14 (1) Battling Levinsky NWS 10 Feb 17, 1919 Broadway Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, U.S. ABA and NYSAC light-heavyweight titles at stake (via KO only).
134 Win 109–10–14 (1) Bill Brennan NWS 10 Feb 10, 1919 Arena, Syracuse, New York, U.S.
133 Win 108–10–14 (1) Len Rowlands TKO 4 (10) Feb 3, 1919 Southside Market House, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.
132 Win 107–10–14 (1) Tommy Robson NWS 10 Jan 31, 1919 Cleveland A.C., Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.
131 Win 106–10–14 (1) Jakob "Soldier" Bartfield NWS 12 Jan 27, 1919 Memorial Hall, Columbus, Ohio, U.S.
130 Win 105–10–14 (1) Paul Samson-Körner NWS 10 Jan 23, 1919 Southside Market House, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.
129 Win 104–10–14 (1) Young Fisher NWS 10 Jan 20, 1919 Grand Opera House, Syracuse, New York, U.S.
128 Win 103–10–14 (1) Leo Houck PTS 12 Jan 14, 1919 Boston Arena, Boston, Massachusetts, U.S."

That certainly would stack up well against the entire resumes of some great fighters. The only thing missing is a World Title pickup during that run, but, without the KO rule, he may have gotten that, too, against Levinski, on September 3rd.

 

There are some fighters today who are considered great & haven't reached 40 career fights. It's easy to understand why some people regard Greb as the TBE.

 

Many casuals have no idea who Greb is, or only very limited acquaintance. When I mention him as being in the discussion as the GOAT (and not Money May), I always point to 1919 as the first stage in my defense. And while I could go on to other stages, it really is enough to separate him most elite fighters of the past 50 years.

 

Passes The Gatti Rule with flying colors.

Could be better than Bob Foster’s career.

 

That set of boxers who Greb defeated would crap all over several HW"s that I could name but won't as it displeases me to type their names.
Gets me nauseated just thinking about guys making $10 to fight once a year. No I don't think in this day and age someone should fight as many times as Greb did but FFS we had a HW this weekend would had a single one round fight in 2 1/2 years.

 

One of Greb’s contemporaries, guy named Dempsey, who didn’t have a single for for THRE YEARS. He was heavyweight champ through the entirety of that.

And at about the same point in his career as the guy you’re referring to, but, like I said, holding the most important title in all of sport of his day hostage that whole time.

Greb himself — while very prolific in non-title fights — held the middleweight title for nearly three years and made five defenses (four successful) … which. Happens to be slightly below schedule for most of today’s titleholders.

So sorry, what was your point again?

 

Never mind only casuals, a few years back, alphabet middleweight belt holder, Darren Barker admitted to his interviewer, he’d never heard of Greb!
This is the same Barker, who presents and commentates along with Grisham, Mannix and Mora on DAZN’s boxing!

 

Well it sure wasn't about Jack Dempsey. I didn't mention the name but I meant Deontay Wilder.

 

I am comparing your thoughts on Wilder and others “in this day and age” with a very concrete example that it’s hardly new, and that the most high-profile of Greb’s contemporaries actually sat on the title without defending it for three years. At least Wilder isn’t holding the championship hostage.