Juan Manuel Marquez could have been 63-1 if things went his way?

He has great accuracy and threw at a decent volume plus he was strong as a bull.

Great fighter and maybe the best combo puncher in recent history.

 

People still talking about this lol

 

I love jmm but way too many excuses on that list for me

 

Why stoop to Pac fans level who claim he is undefeated in slow motion. Not sure how getting knocked out 3 times plays out differently in slow motion.

 

That’s hilarious

 

**** me I just had PTSD flashbacks to 2012.

"Here is why Manny Pacquiao is actually undefeated."
"Why Floyd Mayweather actually has 5 losses"

 

That’s actually an indictment on the current state of boxing

 

I think it only got so bad because they were in the same weight classes.
We saw something similar with Canelo-Golovkin and Kovalev-Ward.

And as the years went by, things got more and more heated. FFS, people were adamant that Floyd should have been DQ´d vs Judah.
But something that really stood out to me about that era, as a positive, was how clueless casual sports fans were about boxing records. Sure, everyone knew Floyd was undefeated because it was advertised 24/7. But a lot of people didn´t know Manny had losses prior to getting KO´d by Marquez.
I thought that it was really cool. Because it showcased that records were not as important as wins. I wish promoters would pick up on this and stop obsessing over the 0. They are shooting themselves in the foot.

 

If his name was Canelo, that sounds about right.

 

JMM is a great fighter but one of the biggest crybabies I've ever seen.

 

I've litigated Dinamita's losses before, often.

Javi Durán as far as we know, flukey though it was, counts. Márquez was a rookie and got himself disqualified.

Norwood and Pac 1 could really go either way. Wouldn't say robbery, personally have JMM scraping Pac 1 and losing narrowly to Norwood.

John and Mayweather are legitimate defeats. You could maybe argue for JMM getting a draw with the Indonesian Dragon, but he shouldn't have bulked up so much for PBF and was basically doomed in that one from the get-go.

I had Bradley vs. Márquez a draw - so at worst, a very mild robbery. Very short leap from a draw to a 115-113 split.

IMO he was only robbed outright in Pac II and III, and of course avenged those brutally in the fourth match (in which, ironically, he was doing the absolute worst he'd done against Pac since the second round of their first meeting)

Of his eight blemishes I only take severe issue with two losses (and maybe the Pac draw, even though he did get lucky with a judge's mathematical error to not have an official loss registered; I still think he outboxed Manny pretty much the rest of the way after getting dribbled off the canvas a million times in the opener)

 

Lot of people have said that over the years, but there were many of us that scored it for JMM live. Freddie Roach said (about I&II, actually) that it "could have gone to either of them". Lots of press row including ESPN had it tight for Márquez. The idea that Pac won the rematch clean is a narrative that's sort of grown in hindsight.

It was a hard fought and competitive but IMO close one for JMM...either 115-112 or 114-113.