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  1. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    When usyk defeats fury in the undisputed it will be another game . But first he needs to show.

    Up to know he found a key how to beat aj ( respect in beating aj ) but beyond that he made sure to fight in hw as little as only possible and when he fought he made sure to pick the weakest opponents on the market .
    Aj might be pure luck that he simply cannot cope with usyk,s fighting style .

    So usyk has very little fights in total at hw and only one noticeable top10 opponent in this weight class

    Rjj was a great example here : everybody will agree he was a legend as a boxer but nobody says he was a legend as a heavyweight !

    The same is true about usyk .
     
  2. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    I feel , i very feel ;-)
     
  3. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Charles Martin immediately came to mind for me.
     
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  4. Potwash

    Potwash The Real Untouchables Full Member

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    Thread was good up until half way then its the same old idiots and trolls going back and fourth. Don't even entertain the trolls that are saying Usyk is the weakest heavyweight.

    My vote goes to Charles Martin.
     
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  5. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree, I think guys like Stiverne, Seldon, and Spinks are in the mix. Martin though takes the cake, especially considering he won the belt due to his opponent tearing his ACL mid fight.

    Also agree, I nibbled on the bait with that Usyk troll.
     
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  6. Potwash

    Potwash The Real Untouchables Full Member

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    Yeah Stiverne and a few others I was thinking but like you said, Martin tops all of them. He was awful.
    The Usyk/Fury trolls are unbearable to me now, hardly post here anymore. Don't even bother engaging with them mate.
     
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  7. Usyk is the best

    Usyk is the best Active Member Full Member

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    In terms of boxing skills and reflexes it's Valuev by HUGE margin.

    But due to his enormous size and iron chin H2H he is higher than Charles Martin or Bruce Seldon.

    Martin - by far the weakest resume.

    Bentt at least KO'd Morrison in 1. Martin's best real win is shot Gerald Washingthon
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Usyk has only had 21 fights and yet despite this he has already won 7/8 belts at CW and HW (and become The Ring champion at both weights) whilst winning and unifying all of his belts in his opponent's backyards and having had to contend with and overcome the huge weight disparity between fighters in those respective divisions

    And he's run through a gauntlet of murderous punching KO artists and legit bangers like few others when many of his worshiped fellow P4P top 10 have gloves, won't travel peers have barely fought any at all, especially ones their size, including the fighter many have ranked P4P #1 now. Usyk has fought a whole bunch of the hardest punchers in the sport all of whom his size or way bigger not smaller or way smaller, including career HWs who have amassed KO 95% and KO 88% records almost exclusively against other HWs

    Only four of AJ's opponents have lasted the distance against him and only four have not hit the canvas and one of those was retired in his corner after only 5 rounds. Unlike the rest who didn't hit the canvas Usyk fought AJ twice and unlike everyone else he did so over 24 rounds

    Dubois has stopped 19 of his 20 victims

    Usyk has already whooped at very worst the 2nd best HW of their generation x 2 and he would already have fought the #1 one long ago had that bald flabby coward not pooped his oversized knickers and shamelessly ducked him for years trying to age him out.

    It took all the money in Saudi, a year of intense ridicule and shaming from pretty much the entire boxing world, losing millions of his fans and destroying his own reputation in the process, and Usyk looking vulnerable in his previous fight to finally entice that coward out of the chicken coop to man up to face a real man half his size he holds obscene physical advantages over, including 50-60lbs in weight or just below and 7'' in reach.

    The Usyk haters are a truly strange breed just like the Loma haters are. They hate on fighters who embody and represent everything right and great about the sport, true legacy fighters who seek out the best and do not duck and who unlike so many of their peers fight on a level playing field against opponents their own size, bigger or way bigger or one stacked against them

    They never stack the deck or try to gain unfair advantages or try to weaken their opponents at the negotiating table with rehydration clauses, catchweights or jack themselves with PEDs to help them bridge the gap to campaign at higher weights

    And they've fought lots of punchers not only their size most of the time but ones who are often way bigger than them who punch very or extremely for divisions they're tiny for

    And they're both very clean fighters in the ring, especially Usyk who is probably the cleanest one in the sport, who win their fights via the use of good old fashioned legal skills not cheating

    They're doing all this whilst routinely giving away huge physical advantages that no one else in the P4P top 20 let alone top 10 is and most of them would get KO'd if they were

    And they are truly class acts outside of the ring too

    Whilst these same haters simultaneously worship at the altar of gigantic weight bullies who forge careers beating up leprechauns half their size, shameless duckers who duck the best like they have leprosy and avoid or who have fought very few punchers too

    Who are deck-stacking have gloves won't travel warriors who won't sign on the dotted line unless they have all the advantages stacked in their favour and who they handicap their opponents at the negotiating table to the extent that the deck is so stacked in their favour they're essentially rolling with loaded dice

    Filthy dirty serial cheats whose success hinges on fouling the crap out of their opponents and whose defensive skills revolve around hugging them to death and running like a thief in the night

    And PED cheats and fighters who are scumbag trash outside of the ring

    A lot of this stuff applies to the greats and many of your boxing idols too but not to Usyk and Loma
     
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  9. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    In terms of boxing skills Wilder is way up there... But decent reflexes and good power get him out of that H2H territory - much like Valuev, the overall package rescues it.

    There's been plenty of limited but effective (up to a point) champions - guys who were fringe contender level at best, Wilder and Valuev included... Then there's been the occasional champ that wasn't even that good - which is where Martin and Stiverne types come in.
     
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  10. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Case in point...
    If a war broke out in the USA, can you imagine many of the big name "P4P" fighters signing up voluntarily to do their bit?

    Or would they run like pussies?

    These guys are true fighting men - do what you have to and accept the consequences (whether that's risking losing because you refuse to foul, weightbully, etc or whether it's risking the consequences of war).
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes that too. Loma turned down a shot at his longtime dream of becoming undisputed winning all four belts in one fell swoop in what would've been an easy win for him to help out in the war effort and Usyk did his bit to help out too.
     
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  12. RockyMarciano

    RockyMarciano Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My ex's uncle was in that movie for like 4 seconds lol...as for who I think may have been the worst...I got Primo Carnera right up there
     
  13. RockyMarciano

    RockyMarciano Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why is there no Dislike button for **** posts like this?
     
  14. fruitandnutcase

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    It's Charles Martin. This is a borderline objective opinion

    Not only did he win his title because his opponent suffered an accidental, career-ending injury, but Martin made no successful defences of his title, was blasted out in 2 rounds and was champ for less than 3 months. To add insult to injury, he beat no one significant beforehand and he's beaten no one significant since then

    I admit I DO like Martin, and think he put up a good effort against Ortiz and Anderson. He's had a bizarre career where he's both an underachiever and an overachiever
     
  15. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    Leon Spinks ranks there..Bruce Seldon 2