Jaime Aarón Munguía Escobedo vs. John Ryder & Oscar Manuel Collazo vs. Reyneris Gutierrez RBR.

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  1. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed he did however show glimpses of his best with some nice counters but didn’t have enough left to sustain it against a younger hungrier fighter. The Ryder of two years ago would’ve beaten Munguia. Like @UnleashtheFURY said Golden Boy saw something and picked him at the right time.
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    His pisspoor punch resistance tonight was all I needed to see to convince me he was shot to hell. No one is going to convince me that Munguia is a harder puncher than Canelo or Callum Smith.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Odds on favorite beats a cherry picked shell of a fighter that I was desperately hoping wasn't as shoot as he clearly was. You're so brave!
     
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  4. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    I doubt he is. But I've seen this happen too many times in boxing. Some guys that supposedly don't hit as hard stop guys that harder punchers couldn't. Or stop them way worse.
     
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  5. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Yeah, I have too, plenty of times. It's usually because the fighter that gets KO'd is far more shot.:lol:
     
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  6. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol
    I know you hate Munguia
    But damn man give the
    “ Mayan Neanderthal”
    his Due, he was impressive.
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Nope, he receives not even a shred of it from me. De La Hoya's predatory matchmaking skills gets all the credit... once again.
     
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  8. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Could be. But you gotta agree that this wasn't the fight for Ryder to take after the Canelo fight.
     
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  9. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well if little else,
    you are consistent .
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes. Big Frank over here prides himself on his ability to make the fight at the right time, as in when the opponent is old and the odds of them getting old overnight greatly increase or when they've had most of the stuffing beaten out of them.

    Team Mung did it with Dev

    12 round war against Jacobs in which Dev was hurt and dropped
    12 round brutal war against Culcay in which Dev was hurt badly and very nearly dropped
    Brutal 12 round war against GGG in which Dev was hurt and dropped
    Brutal 12 round war against Jermall in which Dev was hurt and almost dropped
    10 round war against Adames in which Dev again took a ton of punishment

    And Dev's sadistic handlers finally give him a softer touch against Joshua Conley over 10 rounds

    And then Team Mung pick the last few morsels of flesh of Dev's body and act like he beat a prime Dev

    Dev took a sickening amount of punishment in all those wars, almost all of which against big punchers
     
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  11. Eclipse

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    Its not about 1 punch power. Its about volume and Mungia throws more punches than Canelo does these days, and he just broke Ryder down.
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yeah but he had to dig so deep to show those glimpses. I don't know how anyone can even argue that he's not a shell of his former self. It was abundantly clear to see he has nothing left anymore. It was wishful thinking on my part to think he would still have something left after the beating he took against Clenelo but I knew from very early on tonight he didn't
     
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  13. Ricdog

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    On the topic of a Canelo fight, I just don’t see it. Canelo has a contract with Showtime, which as far as I’m concerned means he’s doing business with Al Haymon. In other words, Canelo won’t fight anyone not under PBC/Showtime…period.

    Canelo has 2 fights left in his contract and you best believe ONLY PBC fighters will get a shot at Canelo. This means Charlo and Benavidez. Possibly Crawford if he sells himself officially
     
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  14. drenlou

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    Can't hurt to call him out tho. Besides Munguia and his manager on are record saying Canelos team reached out to him. The balls in Canelos court, if he wants Munguia he can secure that fight easily.
     
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  15. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I won't lie, I ain't exactly antsy to see this fight. I enjoyed the bout tonight, and he showed improvements yeah, but nothing about tonight budged me on the notion Canelo beats Munguia. That said though, I'm sure it prolly ends up better than Canelo-Jermall at this point, so if that's the alternative to this, sign me up for Canelo-Munguia :lol:
     
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