Do you expect Thurman to be on his bike all night against Tszyu?

I expect Thurman to be on his back.


Fast.

 

I expect it to look a little like brook golovkin. I know Thurman only coming up one weight class but the lack of activity will make it look like a man vs a boy, but I expect him to run way more than brook did against golovkin.

 

The fight won't last long enough to worry. This is a horrendous mismatch.

 

This could end in under 4 rounds.

 

Yes.

But not quite Ortiz v Teo bad.

 

No,
only after Tszyu touches him to the body
He Can’t be on his bike all night once Tszyu gives him a Flat.

 

Thurman knows how to pot shot, he won't run but he'll probably feel the difference and won't choose to stand and deliver against Tszyu. He's probably going to turn off his offense and simply try to pot shot to a victory and that won't work here.

 

I am actually really curious about this fight. People underestimated Tszyu prior to his fight against Harrison where a lot of people thought it would be close. With this fight a lot is on the line.

Thurman has a very questionable career. He's always beaten lesser fighters but often has looked vulnerable in doing so (Lopez, Collazo). Thurmans best wins are Garcia and Porter...neither of which ever amounted to much at 147. Thurman had a close but clear LOSS to 39/40 year old Manny and since then dominated a JWW who was stopped by a LW...if Thurman loses to Tszyu in bad fashion it ruins what little legacy he had.

 

I'd like to see him press like "Cool" Vince Phillips attacked his dad, jab your way in and launch those straight rights.

But Thurman will probably try to box and move, and he's not really all that great at it. I preferred when he used to be more aggressive.

Back Tim up, see what happens.

 

Thurman has one loss, a split decision to Manny Pacquiao.

And I never heard Shawn Porter - a two-time welterweight champion - described as someone who "never amounted to much" at welterweight. (Which is a strange way to describe him.) Same with Garcia.

Thurman beat Barrios last time out, and Barrios is the WBC 'Interim' Welterweight champ. Barrios will be full champ shortly as Crawford doesn't look to be sticking around.

Spence's best wins at welter were Porter, Garcia and Brook. Crawford's best wins are Porter and Spence. Thurman's are Porter, Garcia, Quintana, Barrios.

Thurman's best wins aren't really any worse than anyone else's best wins at welter.

Thurman's been a top welterweight for years. He still is. He certainly isn't worse than Spence.

Tszyu should win. But it is a good matchup. Would've been better if Keith was younger. But, still, it'll be fun to watch.

 

It was a clear loss regardless of judging.

Outside of beating each other what has Danny or Shawn done? Rob Ugas?

Just cause PBC media claims Danny and Shawn and Keith are "Top welterweights" doesnt mean its true or mean much at all.

PBC media claimed Broner, a 3 division champion, was the next Floyd Mayweather..........not quite.

Barrios was a 140lb champ who moved up to 147lb after he was stopped by a 135lb champ. If Barrios becomes an email champ or not is irrelevant - its not an impressive win as Barrios himself is not an impressive fighter. And I like Barrios, I just dont rate him personally.

Ummm no. Thurman squeaked past Danny and Porter in split decisions and was beaten by a 40 y/o ATG. Thurman was almost KTFO by literal journeymen in Collazo and Lopez.

Spence had a rugged close win over Porter, w a clean KD being the difference, and beat Danny in a way he's never lost before or since. Spence also stopped Ugas, a fighter who was probably robbed against Porter and who decisively beat old man Pacquiao. Spence also stopped Brook in the UK.

Spence has always been ahead of Thurman. Always.

Thurman is absolutely worse than Spence.

Welterweight is among the best weight divisions in history of the sport w a terrific track record of ATGs and HOFS. If someone wants to determine a fighters place they can refer to history and compare them to previous eras of fighters.

Make a thread and poll about how Errol, Thurman, Danny, and Porter do against:

Floyd
Manny
Cotto
Mosley
Bradley
Maidana

The reality is Thurman and Danny might lose every single fight versus that lineup. Porter might win 1 or 2 and Spence wins 3 or 4.

Thurman was only ever a "top welterweight" because he ducked Spence and Crawford for years and, believe it or not, the past 5-7 years at WW have been very watered down.

I'm more curious about the fight for Tszyu in terms of how he wins (if he is to win). If he dominates (which I dont see) that would be impressive. If he squeaks by narrowly its still a good win but not impressive.

Definitely an intriguing fight

 

Great analysis

 

Good Lord.

Porter was a top welterweight for eight years. A two-time welterweight champion. Garcia was a top welterweight for five years and a unified junior welterweight champion before that. Thurman has been a top welterweight for a decade and a unified welterweight champion. Hell, Thurman beat the current WBC "interim" welterweight titleholder in his last fight.

Thats why they were among the top welterweights the last decade. Because they were AT the top of the division for years.

How many DECADES does someone have to be a top welterweight for you to consider them a top welterweight?

Don't be the goof who goes "He wouldn't beat Floyd or Ray Robinson" so how good was he? Everyone doesn't have to be one of the best who ever laced them up to be one of the top figthers in their division at a given time.

They weren't fringe top 10 guys. They weren't failed contenders. They didn't get one title shot and lose and disappear.

They were the champions. They were among those at the top of the division year after year after year. They were top welterweights.

It's true. They were.

Seriously, you've been around a while. Don't act like someone who is just learning the sport.

They were top welterweights. Like Carlos Palomino was a top welterweight. Like Donald Curry was a top welterweight. Like Ike Quartey was a top welterweight. Like Vernon Forrest was a top welterweight.