Mayweather-Margarito-Cotto-Williams = Leonard-Hagler-Duran-Hearns

When it mattered Hagler used the same sort of approach Margarito used. That was my point in it's entirety. I don't care if it was at the end of his career. The Hagler that we make such a big deal out of was the one who beat Hearns and Duran and Leonard and Mugabi. Right? Go on what we go by. Consistency not abstract ideas of what he stood for.

Sure Williams beat Margarito but what the hell does that have to do with my point? Hagler attacked Hearns and ate some punches to do so. To say otherwise is ridiculous. He banked on his strength to pull himself through it. That is precisely what Margarito did against Williams only he came up short on the cards.

Also don't forget Margarito is capable of boxing when he has to. Early on against big punchers he moves just like he did agains Cintron. Once he feels them out he just abandons that defense and walks them down. That is what he does nearly everytime unless he walks in with no respect for his opponent's power.

 

Leonard would have beaten up Mayweather to a pulp at welterweight.
Hagler had way better defense and technique than Margarito.
Cotto was not nearly as slick and savy as Duran.
Williams does not have the power or the boxing skills of a Thomas Hearns.

I would say that those guys would stand very little chance against the "Fab Four".

 

He´s overrated and got beaten by a guy called "the worm" and another one who hadn´t one fight in 5 years :rofl

 

None of them is in the league of the fab four with the exception of Mayweather who i think is a tad greater than Hearns and Hagler.

 

Switch: Margarito = Hagler, Cotto = Duran to Margarito = Duran , Cotto = Hagler

 

Hagler overrated?? Hagler has certainly earned his place in history unlike that joke Ottke which you have in your aviator.Apparently you do not know much about the history of the sport.

With the help of the Sauerland Mafia Clan he got gift decisions against countless fighters such as Mitchell, Brewer, Reid etc. Betweeen rounds his corner always communicated him the exact scores of the judges. Unlike Arthur Abraham he never fought abroad and was scared to death of Joe Calzaghe.

 

Mayweather a tad greater than Hearns or Hagler??? ???

 

I'm not sure I like these comparisons. I'm not sure these fighters of today could beat those fighters of the past, then again vise versa. Boxing has evolved somewhat in terms of training, dieting, conditioning, but then agiain fighters today don't have to train for fifteen round fights and the safety of fighters is taken into consideration way more today than in that era. I find it very difficult to compare these fighters. Just my thoughts.

 

If there were any four boxers of our generation that I'd compare to those legendary four, it would've been Barrera-Morales-Marquez-Pacquiao. Plus they actually fought each other.

 

Yep, he is.

 

Nope, i don´t know anything about boxing. Perhaps you should enlighten me!

btw. i don´t have an aviator? What are you talking about?

 

The Hagler that I make a big deal out of was the one who beat Sibson, who was my Dad's favorite fighter, in a dominant fashion.

You pick out the Williams fight as an example of the way Margarito fights that compares to Hagler, you fail to mention the fact that. In the vast majority of the fights that Margarito fights he has the same aproach. In the vast majority of Hagler's fights he boxed.

Margarito is very slow and prone to being outboxed. Has been in the past and was for the first 6 rounds against Cotto.

Hagler was never outboxed like that at his best nor could he have been.

 

Ok, that separates you from about 99.9% of the boxing public. I'm not about to go on subjective interests when what we are discussing is what made these fighters great. Beating Sibson was not what made Hagler great. So let's be fair on that point.

Those fights again are not the fights Hagler cemented his reputation on. When it really came down to it, when it really mattered, it wasn't the boxing skill of hit and don't get hit that won him victories over Hearns and arguably Leonard.

Margarito is like that by design. This is something that doesn't seem to sink in with alot of you guys. If you really wanna see Margarito box watch how he handled Cintron in the first fight. That is a perfect example of how he is capable of moving and not getting hit. He can box if he has to but it isn't his bread and butter. Nor was it Hagler's when it really mattered.

The only reason Margarito doesn't do that with the majority of his opponents is because he has no respect for their power. And rightfully so as his chin is extraordinary. And his sparring is no joke. Like the fighters back then he trains to go 15. That is why his stamina over 12 is incredible.

Against anyone but Williams, Margarito imposes his style at welter. Williams just happens to have a very good chin himself at welter which is something we could never say about Hearns. That is another reason why I would consider Margarito a live underdog against Hearns. If Hearns couldn't hurt him he'd be in a world of ****.

 

The only reason why Mayweather appears better is because Mayweather never gave us the pleasure of seeing him get his ass kicked by his contemporaries.

I have no doubt in my mind if he took fights like everyone else he'd have a loss on his record right now. It wouldn't make him any less of a boxer, but he wouldn't be inflated like he is amongst joyboys and joe casuals.

 

I agree with you. This whole debate begins to get laughable. Margarito is clearly not in the same league as Hagler. Hagler was the undisputed middleweight king for seven years. He beat Duran, Hearns, Mugabi and arguably Leonard and brutalized the rest of his opponents by stopping them all before the final bell. He had over 60 fights with just 3 defeats.

Margarito does not have the ring intelligence, defense, technical or boxing skills of a Marvin Hagler. He may only have the heart, will and arguably the chin of Hagler .

As far as Mayweather being greater than Hearns, remember one thing. Hearns beat Cuevas for the welterweight title in 1979 and beat the best lighheavy Virgil Hill in 1991. He went from 147 to 175 and was successful. Hearns may have been the most devestasting puncher in these lighter weight divsion ever. He is no Delahoya and Mayweather would not hear the final bell against him.