Fighters who looked out of their depth first time stepping up but raised their games

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sometimes an act ends up on Broadway before it is ready for the big time. We have seen it in boxing fairly often — not everyone is a ready-for-prime-time player. Often they wash out and never make it to the upper levels again and fade into opponent-hood or even disappear entirely.

    But sometimes it’s just a dress rehearsal. They get past it and prove they do belong but just weren’t ready.

    I have a couple of examples:

    Jose Luis Ramirez was stopped early by Ruben Olivares in 1978, although it wasn’t widely known, maybe got jobbed in a close decision loss where he dropped Alexis Arguello a couple of years later and nearly got run out of the ring in a lopsided loss to Ray Mancini a year after that. But he gathered himself, won the Mexican lightweight title and over the next few years developed into a real force who ended up with 100-plus wins and world title recognition.

    Bobby Czyz was a bright prospect until he got outmuscled by Mustafa Hamsho in his first big shot to show himself a true contender. But Bobby dusted off his trunks and became a world champion and a force in multiple weight classes.

    Who are some others?
     
  2. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eusebio Pedroza. Kayoed in 2 at his first go at a title but turned out to be quite a good fighter in the end.
     
  3. USFBulls727

    USFBulls727 Active Member Full Member

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    Exact same thing happened with Terry Norris, who was stopped in 2 by Julian Jackson. Jackson himself was stopped in 2 in his first title fight by Mike McCallum. Both went on to become Champions, and both had several defenses.

    I'll add another that probably won't be popular here: John Ruiz. He got smoked in a hurry by Tua, but ended up winning a belt, and put together a pretty good career, however ugly it may have been along the way.
     
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  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Trevor Berbick got iced in the first round against Bernardo Mercado in his first fight against a significant opponent.

    Two fights later he fought to a draw with barely-above-.500 Leroy Caldwell (hometown draw in Berbick’s backyard no less).

    Three fights after that he was supposed to be a soft touch for John Tate, just luck of the draw for a non-regarded Canadian to get on the undercard of Leonard-Duran I in Montreal. But Big John was still shaky from the Weaver KO loss and went down in a bad way and Berbick was on his way. He’d remain on the heavyweight scene for years to come.
     
  5. newurban99

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    Bob Foster, a late substitute for Zora Folley in only his 10th pro fight, gave a good showing against the more experienced Doug Jones in a nationally televised bout in which he was floored in the first round and stopped in the eighth. But the tall slender light heavyweight went on to a storied career as a knockout artist and world champion in his division.
     
  6. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Bones Adams. He was in way over his head against Canizales, being just 18. He was nearly blown out early but composed himself and fought hard until being stopped. He had some injuries and losses, got himself together and beat my friend Nestor Garza for a world title.
     
  7. Saintpat

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    Good one, and it reminds me of the Bubble Gum Kid … Sean O’Grady was 17 years old when he got taken apart by Danny Lopez in LA in his first step-up fight via four-round stoppage. Stuck to his knitting and became lightweight champ.
     
  8. Flo_Raiden

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    Alexis Arguello lost to Ernesto Marcel in his first shot at a title but fell short. A few months after the loss he gets another crack at a title against Ruben Olivares and ends up knocking him out to become a champion.

    This thread is a perfect example on how a loss can make a fighter better. A mindset that seems to be lost in modern boxing.
     
  9. Dubblechin

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    Julian Jackson against Mike McCallum ... and, in turn, Terry Norris against Julian Jackson.

    Both Jackson and Norris got starched inside two rounds in their first title challenges.

    Both rebounded and ended up making the Hall of Fame.
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sorry. Didn't see this. I agree with all of the above. ;)
     
  11. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marcos Villasana had a up and down kind of career that I think would qualify.
     
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  12. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ever see/hear about Berbick/Crabtree? It was criminal.

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  13. Fireman Fred

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    Joe "Old bones" Brown had something like 20 loses before being crowned Lightweight champion. He made 11 defenses before running into all time great Carlos Ortiz.
     
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  14. Bronze Tiger

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    Go and watch Bernard Hopkins vs Roy Jones 1 ….and tell me if Hopkins looks like a future hall of fame fighter
     
  15. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now I think about it…I can remember the first time KO magazine put Bernard Hopkins in their pound for pound top ten …I wasn’t too sure about it
     
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