Ryan Garcia's 3lbs made a lot of difference

I disagree.

For starters, he's still the champion.

For seconds... He can still beat plenty of guys a lot smaller than him by boiling down to the extremes he does - as long as he can do that, he'll have successes.

Realistically, he'll just make sure he never fights anyone his own size unless it's mandated - and he'll be able to get mandatory positions by fighting guys who can't boil down as hard as he can.

The rules haven't changed - the same loophole that's given him success until now is still open... He just has to carry on as he has.

 

Ultimately, yes.

And attitudes and knowledge has changed - I don't think athletes now would take the same chances they might've done in the past.

Personally I'd prefer same day weigh-ins - if fighters choose to risk their own health, it's their choice and their disadvantage... Under the current system, it's incentivising extreme cuts in order to hold an advantage - which if it presents risk to anyone, presents it to the other guy.

 

Perfectly put.

Ryan's unprofessionalism failing to make weight made a mockery of Haney's unsportsmanlike extreme weight cutting.

Ryan rightly doesn't win a belt, and loses money.
Haney rightly loses face and has no plausible excuses.

 

Then again... In the amateurs, power and punch resistance aren't quite as influential on outcomes.

If two fighters are clearly equal in the amateurs, but one punches harder and the other has a less good chin... Well, it'd stand to reason that the scales have tipped?


(And I thought Haney had developed more and would be too skilled!)

 

Haney is always bigger than his opponent able to tie them up easily on the inside but this time fought a fighter just as big as him who wrecked him when he tried to hit and hold as per usual.

 

If you don't understand, having read my comment, then it's pointless trying to explain it again.

It gets to the point where stupidity becomes impenetrable and it's too exhausting trying to write paragraphs in an attempt to break it down for simpletons like you.

So, you read it again, have a good little think, try and get there, and take your time...I believe in you, kid.

P.S You sound like you were born yesterday, never mind started watching the sport yesterday.

 

lol Haney weighs like 170 on fight night. Keep crying daquarius

 

We will never know, because Garcia didn't make the weight. It may have taken Garcia hours in the sauna to make it, completely draining and his electrolytes, making him weaker because he no longer had the energy to run. If Ryan was spent and couldn't trully make the weight it would have totally drained him, then it would be a totally different fight.

 

Rehydrating don't matter, making weight matters. You don't make the weight, you don't get the credit.

 

I do feel it played some part, Haney had to suffer his body to get to 140, Garcia didn’t have to. But Haney fought a terrible fight

 

Well Ryan wore pants and shoes and had downed about 16 ounces of water or beer, so I doubt Garcia was actually three pounds over, maybe 1 or 1.5.

 

Get rid of the 140weight division..

 

In essence, people saying same day weigh ins are dangerous are saying we should carry on doing this;

Let's use the 147 pound welterweight division as an example.

So, fighters do all sorts to cut weight, in many cases making themselves feel unwell in the process.
They make the 147 limit 24-36 hours before they step into the ring.
They are then allowed to go off and rehydrate, eat, bulk up, and enter the ring 10-15+ pounds over the 147 pound welterweight limit.

In what alternate reality does that make any sense?
If you are a welterweight, that means you should be at your absolute healthy, fit, fighting best at 147.
What on earth is the point in asking two people to make an weight limit if they then go off and balloon up overnight?

It's completely baffling to me that this isn't rigorously enforced.

The "being dangerous" argument makes no sense because, if we had weigh ins 3-6 hours before the fight then no fighter would be able to make dangerous, draining weigh cuts.

They'd be in the weight class they should actually be in.

Haney, Garcia etc...are really natural middleweights.

GGG, Canelo etc...are really natural light heavyweights.

Bivol, Bertebiev etc...are...well, they would fall into an unclassified division between LHW and cruiserweight.

But, you get my point.

Instead, we see these ridiculous weight cuts to make a weight that they then completely ignore.

How is this even allowed?

I'm serious.

As a boxing fan for over 40 years, as someone obsessed with the sport for my childhood in particular, I really am curious.
Imagine, if other sports allowed you to compete in another certain class or group to the one you are meant to be involved in.
Suppose, Usain Bolt was allowed to race 12 year olds in the qualifying rounds of the Olympics while everyone else was racing their peers.
Or, an college basketball team playing against 90 year olds with hip replacements and broken hearing aids or making the other team wear 50 pounds of dumbbells in a backpack so they are exhausted by half time.

These aren't great analogies, I know, but that's because I cannot think of examples in other sports that mirror this bizarre attitude in boxing.
I suppose, one could argue that if everyone is doing the weight cut/bulk up rigamarole, what's the problem?

But, suppose, some fighters aren't doing it and are genuinely fighting at their ideal size?

They are then facing guys (potentially) 20 pounds heavier - the Loma vs Haney example being one mentioned before.

Anyway, rant over .

 

Most of YDKSAB. It doesn't matter how much he rehydrated. The point is the impact on the body of losing weight that Ryan didn't need to go through.

I hate Haney as much as the best guy, but you have to be honest.

 

That's the reason most of us thought Haney would win, and why he's won thus far. He's an extremely disciplined boxer. I even stated I didn't think Ryan could win on the scorecards unless he dropped Haney 3-4 times, and low and behold he actually went out and dropped him 3 times (really more like 5 but who's counting). Haney started believing he was not only bigger but stronger than guys and that's not what got him to the big leagues. Now everybody that can hit (and there's a number of guys in his division who can) are gonna be zeroing in on him to test his mettle.