Tyson Luke Fury vs. Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk

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Gypsy King or The Cat?

Poll closed May 18, 2024.
  1. Fury on points

    24.5%
  2. Fury by stoppage

    19.1%
  3. Draw

    3.1%
  4. Usyk on points

    43.3%
  5. Usyk by stoppage

    10.0%
  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    True, he's a year older than Lomachenko - who already had managed to lose to a very ordinary fighter in 2020. It's possible time catches up, but Fury's up there as well and his recent activity is garbage compared with Usyk's. (the last time he faced a real boxer that was a live body was Dillian Whyte; since then he fought a shopworn Chisora with the benefit of having gone a couple dozen rounds to figure him out already, then a mixed-martial-artist in his pro boxing debut. In that same time span Usyk won the AJ rematch and beat DDD - head & shoulders above...)
     
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  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    The concern is that Usyk doesn't have an old fighters style. A guy like Beterbiev ages well in part because he's always fought like an old guy. So now that he's actually old we haven't seen a noticeable drop-off.

    I am rooting hard core for Usyk and I don't want to have a built in excuse if he loses. I'm just making an observation, this sport doesn't have a lot of precedence for 37 year old speed guys lighting it up. Usually guys that age who remain on top are power and technique guys.
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    August wasn't that long ago. He looked fine honestly, aside from that one moment that's been overblown and lingered in everyone's memory larger than most of the rest of the action.
     
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  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I pck Usky to win decisive decision ... Fury's hope is a ref's fight of mugging and holding .. we'll see .
     
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  6. Serge

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    The Ring Magazine Fight Picks

    Here’s how the experts see it:


    THE RING

    ANSON WAINWRIGHT: FURY UD

    “It’s great that barring a draw we’ll have a Ring and undisputed heavyweight champion for the first time in over 20 years. If the heavyweight division thrives then the sport does, and thanks to the activity and match ups we’ve seen in Saudi Arabia that is the case. I don’t see this playing out in exciting fashion. I think it’ll be a chess match. I subscribe to the old adage, ‘A good big un beats a good lil un.’ And while I believe Usyk is plenty good enough to beat any heavyweight in the world, Fury is just long, has more reach and he is awkward as hell, and will win a rather uneventful 12-round unanimous decision. That said I’m pulling for Usyk. He’s carried the hopes of his country and represented the sport in a way few others have. But I just don’t see it.”

    LEE GROVES: FURY UD

    “If you had asked me about this fight 18 months earlier, I would have predicted a dominant Fury victory due to his massive size advantage and his ability to maximize it. If you had asked me about this fight following his dismal showing against Francis Ngannou, I would have predicted a Usyk decision victory because of Usyk’s steadiness and Fury’s lack of it. Now, as fight time closes in, it appears Fury has addressed this fight with the appropriate seriousness, and a serious Fury is a dangerous Fury because not only is “The Gypsy King” bigger and stronger, he is, at his best, very versatile. The only question I have is the state of Fury’s eye cut that prompted the postponement; has it healed enough to withstand the needle-sharp punches that will surely land on it? The last left-hander to fight Fury (Otto Wallin) opened up the scar tissue and nearly pulled off the upset. The guess here is that Fury will rise to the moment as well as the considerable challenge Usyk will present and eke out a competitive points victory.”

    DIEGO MORILLA: USYK UD

    “The sense of purpose that drives Usyk due to his country’s situation should be enough to consider him a favorite, but in terms of pure boxing analysis it’s his speed, IQ and mobility what will give him the edge over a Fury that is always an enigma in terms of preparation for his fights, both physical and mental. An inspired Fury could always land a knockout blow in any round, but Usyk knows that this is just one of only a handful of wins that could turn him into a legend in the game – and he has the tools to make it happen.”

    MARTY MULCAHEY: USYK SD

    “To date, Fury has proven he boxes too well for power punchers, and is too big and awkward for conventional boxers to cope with. So, what happens when he faces a smaller superior boxer with surprising power? My hunch is that Usyk pulls off a minor upset using his superior timing and edge in hand speed. Yes, Fury advantage in size and reach will be difficult to overcome, but Usyk showed he is capable of dealing with those negatives against Anthony Joshua. I am not underestimating the boxing IQ or skills of Fury, and think he will rally in the championship rounds to make it a close affair. However, Usyk’s southpaw stance, tricky angles, and higher volume of punches in the first six rounds will give him the cushion for a split decision victory by a round or two.”

    RON BORGES: FURY PTS

    “Usyk is one of the most skilled boxers in the world. The problem for him is that so is Fury and he has a huge size edge. Fury is not a one-punch wonder like Deontay Wilder or a large but still unrefined fighter who is easily tricked like Anthony Joshua. Fury knows how to use size, range and power to control the terms of engagement better than either of them. So the deciding factor will be conditioning. Mental and physical. If Fury has that he wins by decision. If he doesn’t, Usyk will school him. My bet is on the bigger man. Fury by decision.”

    NORM FRAUENHEIM: USYK SD

    “Controversy is the best pick for a fight that already includes reported plans for a rematch in October. But Usyk figures to emerge from it with agile movement, different looks and southpaw style that will target the scar tissue near Tyson Fury’s right eye Fury looks to be in good condition. Photos of a slimmed-down upper body has many believing he has resurrected himself all over again. With his gigantic advantages in reach and height, it goes without saying that a well-conditioned Fury is dangerous. But the unanswered question is the condition of that problematic eye. Unlike the bombs-away Deontay Wilder, Usyk knows how to test it early, often and with a variety of punches from a variety of angles, all enough to win a narrow decision.”
     
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  7. Serge

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    BOXING INSIDERS

    DUKE MCKENZIE (FORMER THREE-DIVISION TITLEHOLDER/TV ANALYST): USYK TKO

    “At last we have the undisputed heavyweight title fight everybody’s been talking about. These two are the best in the division bar none and while Fury starts this fight as a betting favorite, I see Usyk as the more complete athlete of the two. Much is being made of Fury’s height and natural weight advantage. However, I see this as being an advantage for Usyk as he has proven when defeating bigger men like Anthony Joshua and Daniel Dubois that size is not an issue. I also think that the dramatic weight loss for Fury will not do him any favors in terms of his punch resistance. Sure, Fury is good at what he does but I believe Usyk is better at what he does. Tactically Usyk wins this fight on the inside. I think Usyk can stop Fury in 8 to 10 rounds.”

    STEVE FARHOOD (TV ANALYST): USYK PTS

    “This is a fascinating style matchup. While the 6’9″ and effectively mobile Fury has been a nightmare for almost all of his opponents, the intelligent, quick-footed Usyk is equally difficult to solve. This is a tough one to call, but I just sense that the timing is better for Usyk. I could see him moving in and out, scoring and stepping away. I think Usyk wins by reasonably close decision.”

    CAMILLE ESTEPHAN (PROMOTER, EYE OF THE TIGER): USYK SD

    “It is a fight where I believe Fury will have to solve a southpaw who’s very crafty. Usyk’s style relies heavily on angles which might be very difficult for Fury to deal with. I believe stamina will be a factor for Fury in the sense that it will be more difficult for him to use his bodyweight as he usually does to tire out his opponents given Usyk’s ability to be evasive and slick, using angles. Additionally, I believe Usyk can outbox Fury given his foot movement and hand speed. I’m sure Fury will be in much better shape than he was in his last fight against Ngannou. Usyk, who has been waiting for this moment for a very long time, should be extremely motivated and in an exceptional form as well. I see Usyk winning via a split decision.”

    SERGIO MORA (FORMER WORLD CHAMPION/ COMMENTATOR): FURY PTS

    “Size and weight matters in boxing. Fury is much bigger, taller and longer than Usyk! Usyk is brilliant on his feet, and proven to have the right style against big men, but they haven’t fought a big man like Fury who actually uses his size and fights like a big man. Fury can box on the outside and maul on the inside. That’ll be difference. Fury by decision.”




    RUDY HERNANDEZ (TRAINER): FURY

    “The winners…the fans. I have been saying in the past, how Usyk is a smaller version of Fury. This fight will entertain the fans and just may get a few new fans to the sport. Both talented, both throw combinations, both slick. With them being so alike, I’m leaning towards Fury. Remember, the bigger version beats the smaller one.”

    TOM GRAY (FORMER MANAGING EDITOR FOR THE RING): FURY SD

    “This is a very hard fight to call. I’ve always said Fury would win, but the Ngannou fight has me second-guessing myself. If that performance was all down to ill-preparation, then I stick with my original prediction. However, if Tyson has slipped significantly then Usyk is the wrong guy to be in against. If both men are at 100 percent, then I see Fury having success by chasing Usyk down, doubling and tripling the jab, switch hitting and pulverizing the body up close. Usyk will have his moments, but Fury, unlike Anthony Joshua, won’t be mesmerized by the feints and sharp shooting. He’ll walk his man down and tire him out late. The pick is Fury to edge home by a slim margin that has fans and media calling for the contractually agreed rematch ASAP.”

    JOE ROTONDA (MATCHMAKER, MAIN EVENTS): USYK PTS

    “Love this fight, there is no doubt that these two are the absolute best in the heavyweight division. They both have incredible resumes between them; Wilder, Klitschko, Joshua, Breidis, Dubois, etc, an unbelievable list of elite level fighters that have been conquered by these men. I simply cannot foresee a situation in which somebody gets stopped in this bout, I think this fight will actually come down to the gas tank, whoever has it in them to be that much more productive and offensive in the championship rounds will end up earning the close decision. I do believe that Usyk is going to be the one to do that in what should be a super close, competitive, and entertaining fight. Usyk by decision.”

    STEVE KIM (THE 3 KNOCKDOWN RULE): USYK PTS

    “Perhaps I’m being a prisoner of the moment, but the way Fury looked in the fall versus Ngannou does concern me. Yeah, I do expect a much better and more focused version of ‘the Gypsy King’ to show up on the 18th. But I’m still left wondering if he hasn’t gone backwards physically. Also, his history against smaller, more mobile boxers isn’t great. Which is exactly what Usyk is. It took some time, but he has grown into being a legitimate heavyweight. I like Usyk to be quicker off the trigger, and to utilize his boxing IQ to score the upset victory by 12-round decision.”

    TOM LOEFFLER (PROMOTER, 360 PROMOTIONS): USYK UD

    “I think it will be an entertaining fight between the two best heavyweights that both have a very high ring I.Q. I see Usyk’s speed and angles being the edge to win the majority of the rounds in a close fight.”

    ROBERT DIAZ (MATCHMAKER): FURY UD

    “It has finally arrived; It’s the final countdown and the world will be watching. Two of the biggest names in boxing and one of the biggest personalities. In Usyk you have a very high IQ and in Fury you have a very effective awkward style that finds the way to win. I believe the postponement benefited Usyk as it gave him more time to adjust to the weight. The key to victory for him will to be constantly moving and try to tire Fury who may try to impose his size. For Fury he needs to work the body and use his size and weight, Usyk has been hurt or bothered to the body he needs to focus on his body. I don’t expect a fight to break out, I believe it will be tactical throughout but like any heavyweight fight it just takes one punch. In the end, the winner by unanimous decision is Tyson Fury.”

    RICH MAROTTA (COMMENTATOR): FURY UD

    “Really excited about this fight because of the mystery of it. Not really sure what is going to happen inside that ring. Usyk-Fury is rife with questions, and most of them surround Fury. Is he going downhill? Is his head really into it? Can he dictate the distance and style of the fight. Can he bully Usyk with his strength? Will he box or try to walk his adversary down? It does appear Fury has answered one big question surrounding his physical conditioning, as he looks fitter than in quite some time. There are fewer questions about Usyk. He is in his prime, he is extremely clever, and resilient. So this one is more of a guess. Tyson does fight better when he senses a real threat to him. So, I’m thinking Fury has prepared well, and has enough left to utilize his size and considerable boxing acumen to mix it up, make it ugly at times, and score a unanimous decision win over the skilled but much smaller Usyk.”

    CHRIS ALGIERI (FORMER WORLD CHAMPION/COMMENTATOR): FURY PTS

    “Tremendous fight with incredible historical significance. A win for Fury solidifies him as one of the greatest heavyweights of the modern era. A win by Usyk locks him as the best cruiser of all time as well as one of the best heavyweights of current times. As good as Usyk is and how he just doesn’t know how to lose, it’s hard for me to get over the size difference and seeing him struggle with big, strong, physical guys like Daniel Dubois and Derek Chisora. Fury is not only a giant but he is athletic and knows how to impose his size (Wilder 2). I see Fury making it ugly and winning a decision.”

    JOLENE MIZZONE (MANAGER): FURY PTS

    I just think Fury is too big, and also can box for a big guy. I also think Fury will have Usyk down, but Usyk will get up and give him some issues. But end of day Fury will pull it out.”

    ALEX STEEDMAN (COMMENTATOR): FURY PTS

    This fight puzzles me, largely because I’ve no idea which version of Tyson Fury is going to turn up. I’m inclined to forget Fury’s relatively shambolic performance against Ngannou; his approach and mindset will be so much better this time, they have to be. Because in Usyk, Fury is in against his best opponent since Klitschko and perhaps ever. Usyk won’t be standing numb in front of Fury like Chisora or Whyte and he’s light years better than Wilder. This is a proper test for Fury who will need to be at his best to win. But Fury will look to use his assets of size, strength, jab and relative power more than previous Usyk opponents. He’ll probe to the body to see if there are indeed questions to be answered there. If the Ngannou performance was actually a marker and a precursor to decline, then Usyk will outsmart, outmanoeuvre and outbox Fury. But if he’s still got it then I think the balance tips towards Fury.

    Final Tally: Fury 11-9

    https://www.ringtv.com/670019-fight-picks-tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk/
     
  8. JDub

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    yeah Fury losing all that weight tells me he’s looking to fight Usyk’s fight. He’s not going to keep up with Usyk speed and skill wise though. His best chance is rough housing him which won’t be as effective after losing the weight.
     
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  9. Shazzar23

    Shazzar23 Demetrius Bivol Full Member

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    Fury is already both extraordinarily physically weak and easily knocked down for someone at 270. Cutting down will make him even weaker and his punch resistance worse. He's not faster than Usyk either. What's his game plan?
     
  10. Mickc

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    I wish I had a pound for every time somebody thought a face off had any type of meaning in a boxing fight or for any combat sport tbh .
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Bingo. Mauling and fouls (whatever he could get away with - rabbit punches, elbows, butts, kidney shots, punches on the break) were his keys to victory on paper. All of that is nerfed if he's on a fool's errand draining for speed.
     
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  12. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I want Usyk to win because he's a tremendous fighter and it would be an incredible story I've been following since the olympics. Very likable.

    I want Fury to win for the same reasons and to silence these outrageous Joshua nuthuggers who will somehow determine that Usyk was shot and that "the wars with AJ ruined his prime" or some ridiculous bulls***.
     
  13. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Ran into Joseph Parker in Dubai; on the plane with me to Riyadh. Super nice guy!
     
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  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Are you attending every big fight the rest of 2024??
     
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  15. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    If you consider Jake Paul/ Mike Tyson a big fight then yes. Otherwise, no. This is my last big overseas flight. But sort of a once in a lifetime trip with my son in law and our boxing aficionado friend.