Has Usky just demolished the myth of the modern superheavyweight?

So, we can talk about Golovkin beating Joe Louis again?

 

The thing that was worrying me at that point was the body shots, because I still had unanswered questions about Usyk taking body shots which was the only real glaring weakness if any in his armour. But Usyk proved me wrong today and he recovered well from those body shots.

I agree with you that it was a great fight and the fans certainly won today, I'm not a fan of Fury but I thought he fought well today and both fighters went up in my estimation more so Usyk though obviously.

 

He’d already demolished the SHW myth with his victories over AJ. The only myth he demolished last night was the myth that Fury is not as good as he thought he was!
Let’s hear it for the little guys!
I know…6ft 3 and 223 is a little guy nowadays! Ye gods!

 

Never watched it, but now he will NEVER fight AJ, he has always known he'd have got spanked... anyway I'll have to watch it later, Uysk never really impressed me either, but I will watch to see if anything looks better.

Fury can now go away and be remembered as a 2cd Rate Boxing SIDESHOW, because that is all he ever was...
Pathetic champion in Boxing Terms.

 

The specific answer to your specific question is - no!
Boxers like: Zhang, Hrgović, Joyce, AJ, Fury, Wilder, Jalolov ... will not stop boxing.
Nor will heavyweights become lighter and shorter globally because of Usyk.

 

I think Usyk best represents the capabilities of the classic sized, old school, championship level heavyweight against the new giant breed that couldn’t exist before. A generation ago we had Holyfield. But it’s just harder find these examples with the way sports science and divisional opportunities have taken the sport.

 

To some level, however I still don`t see many 6`3 guys beating Fury, Usyk is the greatest of all-time after this win.

 

Rounds 4-6 were indeed sqeaky bum-time. My brother asked if my prediction was the same and to be fair I did say "Usyk will get better as the fight goes on, Fury will get worse" but I think it was round 7 when Usyk was being very passive after Fury had seemingly got his timing down and was tagging him at will with body shots and hooks, some of which wobbled him that I was starting to get VERY concerned, and actually said out loud "What is team Usyk's strategy D: "? I started to think I underestimated Fury's body attack and that I might have picked wrong.

Turns out he was just being extremely disciplined with his stamina management and it nearly paid off with a KO! In fact after round 8 my confidence was restored so quickly that I kept on saying repeatedly, as if to will it into existence that Usyk could knock out Fury in round 9 lol.

 

Also regarding this, when I say feather fisted I mean relative to his weight. He put the hurt on Usyk sometimes yes but remember he's 40lbs heavier than him. I daresay it's physically impossible for a boxer to be incapable of hurting someone that weighs that much less than them.

Literally seconds before Usyk knocked down Fury, I called it for this very reason. Fury hit Usyk flush with a perfectly timed jab but Usyk was unphased. He didn't even move or put up a guard afterwards. I said to my brother "Oh my god, Usyk knows that Fury can't hurt him, he might knock him ou-" and was literally stopped mid sentence as it happened

But yeah for example if Usyk and Bivol boxed eachother to a standstill I'd say that Usyk is feather fisted too. The fact Usyk and Fury's power seemed about equal is a massive red flag for Fury. Good example of this actually is Bivol Vs Canelo. Bivol either weighed just as much or LESS than Canelo and what happened? Nothing. Canelo, an elite power puncher at SMW with an ATG chin couldn't shift Bivol's guard at all and didn't seem to phase him even after connecting. Bivol however, a pure boxer with a extremely low KO percentage stunned Canelo with his punches and ripped through his guard effortlessly. That's what's supposed to happen when you fight someone outside your natural weight. The fact that Fury's physicality was only expressed through his length and clinching and NOT his punching despite the extra 40lbs means he can't punch for ****.

 

Achievement based lists are an absolute ridiculous thing to keep adding fighters in & out of...
I wish people would stop with this completely inaccurate nonsense.

He is not even close to 'a' greatest, best or atg... do you realise the amount of Great HW Contenders & Champions there have been in 150 years. the 22 fight boxer Usyk doesn't even quake the Richter Scale.

 

I really don't like Fury but I think this is a little harsh lol. You say it like Usyk didn't JUST eek out a win after having by far the most competitive fight of his career.

That being said his resume is actual dog****. Very happy that this "H2H GOD" nonsense can stop. People decided he was the apex of skill because he outboxed one of the worsts boxer of all time lol. Almost got TKO'd by Otto Wallin ffs.

 

I never made all that much of size in the first place, at heavyweight. I always thought it was self-limiting and a silly preoccupation. I still think that. Anyone can think I'm bonkers, and no doubt do, but I have no idea if Usyk would be in the war of his life if he fought a prime Povetkin or if it turned into a very interesting match with someone like Haye, Ibragimov or Chagaev. Not as much Chagaev, but regardless. Part of the HW challenge is the enormous range of dimensions that mix and match with the enormous range of styles, so I'm not saying it doesn't matter but it's about the range and what those attributes are connected to. Does someone fight out of a crouch or can Max Kellerman touch BHOP's crouch or whatever, that's what I'm saying and thinking about. I don't know what I am saying or thinking about. Goodbye.

 

Summarized and to the point. Great analysis that encapsulates Classic thinking and which proves that Golovkin is in with a real shout against Louis. Thanks for your insights. Thank you also for your service.

 

Stop it, let's not overreact. He's not even top 10 and unfortunately probably never will be due to his age.

This does however make him a TRUE all time great, something I don't think there's been very many of recently. As someone that MASSIVELY values quality over quantity I think he's done enough to now be considered PVP the best of his era in addition to a top 10 ATG at Heavyweight, because AJ x2 and Fury x1 is better than most heavyweight W's. Being Undisputed Cruiserweight and Undisputed Heavyweight Champion is special special stuff. Top 50 all time probably without thinking about it much.

Gassiev, Briedis, AJ x2, and Fury are an excellent list of top 5 wins.

 

You've miss read what I said, H2H is fine, absolutely normal a more inclusive of ALL Great fighters Champions, Contenders and others who didn't quite get there for 'legitimate' reasons, who were obviously capable. H2H is the more objective & explored way to 'try' and rate fighters, though it will never be absolute, but H2H is the Only Open course of Research & Study of Championship, Contenders and others being considered & placed.

it's ACHIEVEMENT Based lists that are ridiculous, because 'lesser' fighters, eras and Alphabet Straps 'suddenly' get elevated to a) levels they would never ever meet in reality in H2H contests with real greats and b) they wrongly end up in conversations that now 'claims' they are better & would beat so & so... many of the Lesser Achievement Based fighters shouldn't even get such accolades nevermind Hyped up multimedia Bias & B.S.

again you miss read what I said - H2H Yes, Achievements NO!