Oleksandr Usyk ATG ranking

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  1. Zhuge Liang

    Zhuge Liang Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk is greater than Holyfied.

    This is not rocket science.
     
  2. ZiggyBowie

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    If we are talking about who would win between the pair. Usyk and easily imo. He is a far better technical fighter than Holyfield.
     
  3. Alsatian

    Alsatian New Member Full Member

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    I reckon before last night, most would say fury beats holyfield h2h. Quite a few still would
     
  4. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Recency bias maybe but I think he's better. He's single handedly dispelled the annoying myth of the SHW.

    Men that size have plenty of power and it's diminishing returns after a certain point. Usyk had plenty to crack Furys chin worse than ever before.

    Barring Sugar Valuevv the GOAT of course.
     
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  5. BCS8

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    Bah I'd rather see him against Parker or Wilder or Hrgovic right now.
     
  6. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Top 2 at CW. Either 1 or 2 is fine.

    I'll wait for the end of his career before rating him at HW. I find it hard to rate guys in a division where they have only a handful of fights.

    I suspect when I sit down and fully analyse it, he'll end up top 40 all time p4p, possibly higher if he beats Fury in a rematch and makes another couple of defences against the best available contenders.
     
  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Me too.
     
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  8. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    23-0 with wins over these 8 world champions:

    Glowaki (Took his zero in poland)
    Huck (Hof got beaten in his hometown)
    Breidies (Hof and took his zero and got beaten in his hometown)
    Gassiev (Took his zero in his hometown)
    Bellew (former world champion coming from his biggest win and in his hometown)
    Joshua (Hof and in his hometown)
    Joshua (Hof)
    Fury (Hof and Took his zero)

    That is fuc.. insane!!!
    That's a crazy ass resume and besides huck everyone in their prime (fury is past prime but usyk too)

    Who was the last heavy to have a resume like that? Holyfield but he had some losses

    Certified ATG
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    We have to credit Usyk with being the kind of performer who was at least consistent against his own era, which by that definition puts him ahead of lesser regarded bit players who (however skilful) could not show consistency against their own era.

    In the 1980s Usyk would not stand out as the most gifted in a top ten beside Mike Dokes, Pinklon Thomas or Greg Page.
     
  10. janitor

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    If he retired tomorrow we would have to conclude that he was a top two all time cruiserweight, while also being the best heavyweight of this generation.
     
  11. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That makes 7 world champions in 8 fights, but yeah, that's so impressive it's hard to even comprehend. Doing it all unbeaten, not even one hometown advantage, apparently clean his whole career... Who can compare really? Floyd?
     
  12. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk was already an all time great before moving up to HW.

    Greatest cruiserweight ever, best HW since Lewis and a top 5 HW of all time.
     
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  13. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At Cruiserweight, he's somewhere near the top.

    At Heavyweight, it will rest almost entirely on his wins against Joshua and Fury - neither of whom will themselves rate all that highly All-Time, I suspect.
     
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  14. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    7 World champions, but 8 fights against former or actual world champions
     
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  15. Sks476

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    People will try and downplay Usyk's achievements but undisputed at cruiser and heavy with a stacked résumé is definitely ATG status in my opinion.