Rewatched the Usyk vs Fury "knockdown"

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  1. alpo1

    alpo1 #TeamShanny Full Member

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    Usyk was robbed of a knockout.

    He was battering Fury around the ring but Fury kept stumbling away. When he finally cornered Fury and was ready to let off the kill shots, the ref grabbed hold of his arms as he was loading up and saved Fury.
     
  2. miniq

    miniq Oleksandr Usyk Undisputed HW Champion Full Member

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    Nonsense

    Furys legs buckled and he crumpled into the ropes which held him up and therefore calls for a count

    Stay mad that Fury out on his feet could stay standing for 20 seconds to the bell whilst taking shots

    Usyk had him in that moment but somehow Fury managed to survive. If the bell didnt go he was done but the boxing gods didnt want it.

    Bunch of babies cry that the ref briefly got in the way despite bieng his job to be close to prevenf someone getting killed. Its a fine line.

    Be upset that is was the end of the round has happened plenty of times before. Not quite spectaculary as that though.

    Usyk won dont cry about it.
     
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  3. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Still say it should have been stopped. Fury recupperated well in fairness but he was done at that specific point. Looked like a man that had the fight beat out of him.

    At one point he might not recuperate. At 35 going on 36. Already taken massive shots over his career....at some point you,ve got to put future health over undisputed greatness.

    Probably the corners call more than the ref.

    The ref saved him and usyk seemed to hold back at one point and the next round. Without that tho it wouldnt have ended well. The last punch should have been the end of the night. Fury didnt know where he was at that point. Completely defenceless.
     
  4. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    I know the rule about the rope holding fighters up such and such.,
    I do still think the referee saved him.
    My question is if Usyk wasn’t pulled away and unleashed 2 more shots.. would anybody complain the shots was illegal???
    Cause those 2 shots would have knocked Fury out cold!
     
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  5. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    yes, it should have been waved off…….Fury was shot and defenseless


    And then, after that, the ref gave him a lot more than an 8 count

    at least they didn’t screw USYK out of the win, but they certainly screwed him out of a knockout win
     
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  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    There’s no argument against the observation that the ref blatantly saved Fury.

    The technical KD ruled per Fury being supported by the ropes/corner post doesn’t hold - he was supported by the ropes which prevented him going down on several occasions prior to the ref’s call.

    The ref also impeded Usyk TWICE during his assault - his body language clearly indicating that he was a nano sec from either stopping it or calling a standing 8 count - he didn’t do either but he still got in Olek’s way.

    The ref gave Fury every benefit of the doubt - too much so - the ship had sailed on a technical KD.

    It was either let Usyk keep punching OR stop the fight (of course, the latter being preferable in deference to Fury’s health).

    AS IF the ref didn’t understand that if he had applied a standing 8 count earlier, that would’ve immediately defaulted the round to 10-8 and left Usyk more time to clean up.

    So, one could easily speculate that the ref initially tried to save Fury from suffering a 10-8 losing round but, as the situation became even more grave for Tyson, the ref then ultimately saved him from losing the fight altogether, via TKO/KO in round 9.

    IF the ref stopped it when he should’ve have, I’d put money on Fury initially having no complaints - he was well and truly ****ed up and didn’t know where he was.

    The ref even decided to walk the poor Dipsy King part way back to his corner. Very nice of him.

    As to complaining later...well sure, that’s what Fury does and that’s what he did later...so who’s the cry baby? :lol::lol:
     
  7. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Finally found a terrific HLs version of the fight. It very much encapsulates the story of the fight: -

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    They also give us a nice insight into Fury’s PTSD following the fight: -

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  8. BCS8

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    I'm fine with a standing count. It often happens when the ropes hold a fighter up. I don't find that controversial at all.
     
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  9. Bofo24

    Bofo24 hobbyist Full Member

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    Agree. Issue was the Ref interfered when Usyk was about to finish off Fury, especially when the Ref did not interfered at all with the earlier same situations.

    What would be the scenarios when the Ref would interfere and stop a boxer from finishing his opponent at the critical moment, examples would be because the bell rang, the corner's towel throw, or he would wave off the fight. That standing 8 count would be typical if Fury escaped Usyk's finishing of him instead, hence he must be given the count still nonetheless.
     
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  10. James Hudson

    James Hudson Active Member Full Member

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    The ref DID save Fury in the 9th with the loooooong standing 8 count!!
     
  11. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tyson Fury has some absolutely absurd fans.

    Been caught cheating heaps, whether it's illegal strikes, PEDs, or messing with his equipment, but don't call him a cheat doe.

    Been given the benefit of doubt where most would be ruled a knockout multiple times, but don't claim his station is off the back of dubious calls.

    Been retired to avoid one fight and sued to stop him avoiding another, never once had a meaningful fight without delay, but don't call him a duck doe.


    So on.


    It is frustrating because I actually like a good cheater and Tyson his a good cheater. Too bad his fans are hyper defensive wee fae. They won't let you brag on his ability to cheat and get away with it. Instead we all have to act like we're too stupid to see how many points he's had deducted in his career compared to Wlad and Usyk and every single champion between.

    Tyson Fury, 300 pound man who moves like he's 160 pounds. Sure, if you wear welding goggles while you watch.

    Tyson Fury, such a hard chin no man can crack it ... Don't watch Robocop, Cunningham, Wilder, or Usyk put him down and you too can believe in the myth of the unbroken chin of the gypsy giant.


    It's getting really, really, really stupid.
     
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  12. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Everyone knows this.
     
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  13. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did you read the previous post though? Fury was on the ropes for 5 occasion hurt and hanging on them. If the ref wanted to give him a count, he should have done it on the first occasion, when Fury but hit the ropes, but there was like 30 seconds then, and Fury would have either been stopped after that or send into another KD, but the referee was paid, and he wanted to save Fury from KD and 10-7 or 10/8, that's why he waited till the very last second.

    This is clear, and beyond clear.

    And btw, this was a fight under the BBBOC, and this is confirmed, they don't have a standing 8 count into their rules. So Fury was saved by the referee full time.

    Also ref gave him 20 second count, and Fury hands were down, and he was done. It's not the ref business to look for the time and how much seconds there is left. If the fighter is done, and Fury was 100% done at that point, you had to stop the fight.
    He let him continue, cause there was no time left in the round, which helped Fury, and screw Usyk.

    So in this situation you can't make a single case for Fury, not being save by the referee.
    And this ain't Fury first time he is being help and save by the refs.
     
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  14. tinman

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    Fury was held up by the ropes right after the first big left landed. If the ref didn't call a KD then he should have let Usyk send him to the hospital. Usyk was ready to send Fury to the Intensive Care Unit. He was in the corner a sitting duck and his chin was there to be decapitated. Let Usyk finish him off.
     
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  15. DoubleG95Fanatic

    DoubleG95Fanatic Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm still not sure over the whole "should it have been a KO win" or not, partly because I'm not 100% clued up on the rules in those scenarios. I'm sure everyone will have their own take on it but for me it looked like the ref did his job fine......Fury was visibly hurt and didn't know where he was before stumbling into the ropes and being kept up by them.

    Does a standing count come first? Is it a discretionary decision the ref has to take? Say Fury had fallen to the ground or taken a knee, would the ref have been obliged to make the count?

    I was only under the impression the ref waves it off if a fighter is either laid out unconscious/motionless or is taking a sustained beating (usually on the ropes) and isn't answering back with any shots.

    The ref also has the authority to wave a fight off even after giving Fury a standing count, right? The whole "gloves up, look in my eyes, walk this way and back to me again" stuff they do.