What is Fury's best performance can anyone actually tell me ? He fought a sparring session vs an old Wladimir in which neither man threw a punch in anger one of the worst Heavyweight title fights I've ever seen. Good performance vs Wilder the 2nd time but he was dropped 4 times in the other 2 fights, and Wilder is extremely limited which kind of illustrates Fury's H2H ability is overrated. Decent performance vs a slightly faded Whyte but Whyte had already been KO'ed twice brutally. Apart from that you have Fury struggling immensely vs Wallin who isn't top 10 Heavyweight Joshua just proved that. Struggling against an MMA fighter. Yeah Foreman could look a bit crude at times but far lesser fighters than Foreman have dropped and hurt Fury. I'm going with Foreman by stoppage I think Foreman would find the target too often and it would be curtains for Fury.
I would expect Foreman to win, but don't let the lack of action in the Wlad/Fury bout be a distraction from Fury's ability to deceive and outmaneuver opponents. He essentially shut Wlad down with his ranginess and control of distance. It was actually a class performance, despite the lack of action and it falling very short of being a spectacle. This is why I say Fury presents problems for any Heavyweight in history. Foreman I'd say tracks Fury down, sooner or later (likely sooner) and disrupts his tactics to make a fight of it - at which point Fury is undone.
I give Fury credit for the Wladimir win and you're right the tactics did disrupt Wladimir's rhythm. But still Wladimir threw only 6 power punches after 6 rounds which is an absymal effort. I would think Wladimir would've tried to assert himself more but he was content to just let the fight carry on in the same pattern, and didn't risk going out of his comfort zone to try and turn the fight around. I can't imagine fighters like Lewis, Holmes, Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, letting that happen.
Me neither - But it would present a challenge for all of them, to varying degrees of significance, I suspect.
I agree Fury does present a challenging opponent for most Heavyweights of the past but I still think H2H he was overrated. Theres too many off performances from Fury to me and not enough wins over quality opponents for me to really make him a favourite against any of the ATG Heavyweights of the past.
Yeah, that's fair enough. The jury is still out for me in terms of Fury's H2H prowess, across eras. Although, currently, I have a cautionary leaning towards the same thinking as yourself. When it boils down to it, Fury is definitely apt to be outworked and overpowered, once his opponent finds the range and the gaps in Fury's defense.
See, now here's a post that I can sort of get behind. MM has properly evaluated Fury's strengths. He has properly assessed that Fury would be a problem for Foreman because of his outboxing skill and his size. Where we disagree is whether or not Foreman manages to pin him down or not. I think not, and I have presented my arguments as to why not. Personally I think Foreman's footwork is "ok" for most situations but that in my opinion Fury is an outlier that he would not be able to handle. I base this on footage and on how Foreman could be outboxed at range by lighter footed fighters not wanting to slug with him.
There are a ton of off nights for Fury. He's one lazy SOB. Frankly in real life Foreman would have a far better chance of beating Fury than in the hallowed halls of the Classic H2H matchups. Peak Fury to me is easily the guy that came into Wilder #2. He looked bloody fantastic in that one. But that's a one-off from the usual Fury we get. In my opinion, in real life, Fury would look at Foreman and think "who is this bloody midget i'll blow him away cause I'm the Gypsy King and no man born of his mother etc etc". I CAN see Foreman beating a shitty version of Fury who comes in under trained and over confident, which is the usual Fury if we are to be honest.
Wasn’t ‘74 around the time where Ali’s legs were starting to give out? Not sure if that’s a fair comparison as to how Foreman would cut off the ring against a peak Fury, or even a peak Ali.
Fury is the most over rated champ in history. He’s only beaten a handful of ranked men and the ones he did beat were either past it or lacked any definitive skill. He would lose to AJ and he lost to Usyk. I don’t c Foreman having a problem knocking him out. Fury has a chance if he can survive the barrage the first six rounds. That being said he will be behind massively on points w the several Knock downs.
Dude, I've posted footage from Foreman's prime showing his footwork. It doesn't vary greatly from the Lyle fight to the Young fight. He's clearly going to have difficulty in closing off on Fury.
That is a good point. It is a challenge to assess properly Fury's real dimension as a boxer because all the mumbo-jumbo hype and because he was so inconsistent. I struggle to decide what a "Peak" Fury is. It is like we just get some glimpses of Fury's real potential and we are left guessing. Fury is the king of the shoulda woulda coulda kingdom.
