The Quality of Marciano's Opponents

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  1. Jason Thomas

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    LaStrarza had beaten everyone he had fought except Marciano in a close one. Layne and Bucceroni were rated at the top of the division in 1953. I see no problem with LaStarza as a contender getting a shot.

    "Protected"

    That certainly makes him unique.

    LaStarza broke into the top ten of the NBA back in July, 1949, long before the fight with Marciano.
     
  2. Jason Thomas

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    Who actually quoted his mother and when?

    The dates on a memorial are usually accurate because of the records kept when someone dies.

    Moore might have had reasons to shave years off his age. But after assuming the "ageless Archie" persona he and ballyhoo artist Jack Kearns also had a motive to exaggerate his age. I remember him pushing his "secret" diet plan to women on the Art Linkletter show. Moore being remarkably old but still in shape was part of the pitch.
     
  3. Niels Probst

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    My mistake so sorry - I would have answered that Marcianos opposition was comparable to the content of an outhouse....
     
  4. Gazelle Punch

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    His mother had zero to do with his upbringing. Moore knew when he was born as did his manager who had to get him his passports ready for when he fought over seas. They lied about his age as if they didn’t know to advertise their fighter and make him more marketable. Mcvey knows this but he continues to advocate a lie for years.
     
  5. mcvey

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    His Mother stated he was 2 years older than Moore claimed.
     
  6. mcvey

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    I have never advocated lies and your comment is not only offensive but untrue. Who is this "they ? "
     
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  7. mcvey

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    Bucceroni was not Ring ranked when Lastarza beat him and Bucceroni had beaten him the year before.The only Ring ranked fighter Lastarza beat was Layne by split dec. Three fights before challenging Marciano, Lastarza waa floored and beaten by 14-9-2 light heavy journeyman Rocky Jones.
    Lastarza gave an interview to the Ring in which he admitted he and his manager Jimmy d 'Angelo decided not to risk fighting ranked contenders ,but to sit on their laurels and wait for a title shot.
    Anybody who says Lastarza was not protected is either , fooling themselves, or does not know that period in boxing,

    Now since you challenge every post I make,would you like some advance warning before I make another? .
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Does that mean she would not know when she gave birth to him?
     
  9. Gazelle Punch

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    “They” is Archie, his family, his manager etc. his mother was a loser who abandoned him at birth. She and the father had nothing to do w his upbringing and only made appearances in his life after winning the title. To even bring them up is absurd. I’m sure the people whom actually raised Archie know when he was born. It’s a silly lie that spun out of control w the media. Archie kept the lie going for publicity.
     
  10. mcvey

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    ARCHIE MOORE born in Mississippi Dec 13th 1913 From Peter Hellers' interview with Moore San Diego October 1970.
    Moore was adopted by his Aunt and Uncle when he was 18months old and moved to St Louis
    While he was in Juvenile Hall Detention Center Moore was visited by his Mother and his Aunt ,Moore was15 years old.
    Later up before the judge looking at 3 years in the State Reformatory Moore was between his Mother and his Aunt.Asked if he had anything to say before sentence was pronounced Archie said," I glanced at my Auntie,because I knew this was a beautiful woman,and I looked at my Mother,and my Mother held my hand,and I said Mother don't cry,and when I said that two big, big tears welled up in my eyes,and try as I could I couldn't fight them back .
    .They ran down my cheek like big drops of rain and hit my shirt and broke.I could see them splatter on my shirt
    Those were the two tears I shed,one for my Auntie and one for my Mother."
    You know nothing about Moore's Mothers family circumstances, or why she felt impelled to ask her Sister to adopt Archie,but as you often do ,you made a snap uniformed judgement of her without any knowledge to help you, just as you did about me, implying I am a liar. I'm saying no more because you aren't worth risking getting banned for.

    No Archie did not encourage the earlier DOB, he denied it regularly. More unsupported BS.
     
  11. Gazelle Punch

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    Try reading his biography the ageless warrior. Ur a lying clown. Nothing u day can be taken as truth when it comes to ur biases. I’ve provided proof time and again for u yet u still spout the same lies over and over. Please don’t respond
     
  12. mcvey

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    I've just provided extracts from a taped interview he did in his home in1970,they directly contradict your BS.

    Character assassinating his Mother and myself.Well done!
    You're just some one who spits out his dummy if anybody dares question your unsupported BS.

    I have no bias against Marciano ,I will repeat what I have stated many many times,on here and elsewhere . "He was a great champion , fighter,and a fine man".
     
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  13. Gazelle Punch

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    Think Archie knew what to put on his tombstone.
     
  14. mcvey

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    He could always ask you because,apparently you know more about him than he did himself! He must have been lying to Pater Heller in that taped interview.

    You believe a ghosted biography. lol
     
  15. Gazelle Punch

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    It’s literally on his tombstone u halfwit. Strange hill to die on