It happened to Jack Johnson,and it happened to Rocky Marciano,and its documented in biographies about them. The person who sent a death threat to Marciano was a 14 years old girl. What your problem is you make a sweeping statement ,such as the following."Literally every athlete gets death threats." Then when you are called upon to back it up with hard evidence, and because you can't ,you throw a tantrum,like a spoiled little kid and start calling people liars and badmouthing boxers parents. You seriously need to grow up a bit.
20 pounds, harder one puncher, better at dodging punches and had better defense. He's slow, then you should watch Liston vs Clay so you could know what's slow. I've seen two bums Marshall and Martin who were even smaller than Marciano beating Liston like a drum, so it wouldn't be impossible for Rocky to KO Liston.
Rocky had something that allowed him to overcome limitations, but he couldn't overcome them - a huge difference in strength, physical conditions, and skills. Style also favors Sonny. I think Rocky would have lost by a tough knockout and would never have been the same.
I think the styles make fights thing would be slightly more likely to work in the opposite direction to the majority. And, no, Marciano isn't like my favouritest ever H2H heavyweight. I wouldn't pick him over Holmes, over a prime Louis, over Lewis, over Ali, over Foreman, or Mike Tyson. I could see possible tossups in a few fights with 'Vander and Frazier and Dempsey. I actually think Liston would fall apart with Marciano a little more likely than Marciano's come-forward fight undoing him first. Yes, Liston is a horrifying puncher with a tremendous reach and excellent boxing skills. Marciano is one of the most creatively awkward excellently skilled fighters who are standard weirdos-that-get-misunderstood-as-having-clumsy-skills. He's actually consistently excellent at applying his game with technical craft. Maybe he gets gruesomely injured boring in, and that's not really hard to see happening either, granted, but I actually lean toward him unraveling Liston with his own horrible shots and Liston finding it difficult to not get overwhelmed himself, getting stopped early to mid rounds, and not being quick enough to be landing the flush punches necessary to conk Rocky first. I just don't see Liston as being all that tough, compared to other great heavies. I'm not saying he's not inside the great heavyweight ranks, but sometimes it is about grit and poise and not having a fish flopping competition that you win during your career. And I don't really like his speed level or reach "advantage" in this match-up either. That may sound bizarre, but that is my instinct here. It's going to be harder to get there first up close and I don't really see Liston having the speed of hand and foot to keep Marciano at the end of a jab just haplessly getting punished. He won't even outmaneuver him. He's going to find Marciano puzzling, and he's going to feel like maybe he stumbled into a different martial art. I see Marciano hurting Liston and giving him angles he doesn't understand or time well. I think Frazier would've done it too, honestly. I don't think it would be Foremanesque if that match happened. And Mike Tyson? I know what the conventional wisdom is there, and I think Tyson would be the most likely of Frazier/Marciano/Tyson to be shocked by how easy the fight ends up if he were forced into the prime vs prime time machine. I don't give Liston Foreman credit. Sorry. Never have. But I'm edging the clean hardest shots to be landing to Marciano. Is Liston going to take them? I think the way he matches with Marciano just slightly favours Marciano, partly on physicality that I think is wrongly interpreted to edge Liston overall, but partly because of their characters. And I do not like Liston's character. Do I believe what I'm saying? Or am I just taking one of however many valid positions because whatever and seeing if I think it in an hour? I don't know. I don't want to know. Knowledge is what got us kicked out of the garden. I've never seen any of these guys fight anyway. I don't watch black and white footage. It's boring to the eyes.
Marshall was 6ft and a half inch tall. For the 1st Liston fight he weighed 180 1/2lbs.1954 The 2nd181lbs. 1955 the 3rd 179lbs.1956 You saw this fight? None of them were filmed so you must have been present at 1 or more of them. How old are you? Ninety? Marshall won a split decision over 8 rds having been on the floor in the 1st round. Please tell us in which rounds," Marshall beat him like a drum ? " Martin was also 6ft and a half inch tall ,and weighed 199lbs for the Liston fight. Liston floored Marshall in the 4th rd and was ahead on points when he was ko'd. We don' t know how old he was but its likely he was over 40. Liston knocked Martin on the seat of his trunks at 2:11 of the fourth round with a left hook to the jaw. He was up quickly and didn't appear badly hurt. Martin, behind on points, knocked out Liston at 1:08 of the ninth round. He hurt Liston with a vicious right and followed up with a left hook and another right. Liston went down flat on his face and was counted out. I look forward to your next fairy tale.
Marshall started as 170 pounder and was a bum at best. All people who have seen the fight said that Marshall beat Liston and breaking his jaw is a beating like a drum. Yeah but he was smaller man than Marciano, smaller frame. Again Martin was 175 pounder and was a MW in amateurs. He was very overweight for that fight. Yeah so much ahead of points that he ended losing with a broken jaw. He was no over 40 maybe not even 40.
You stated you had " seen",the fight you haven't that's a deliberate lie. Name one reporter,one source who stated Martin beat up on Liston ? Kevin Finnegan suffered a broken jaw against Frank Reiche he won the fight 99-97.no beating like a drum. Arthur Abraham suffered a broken jaw against Edison Miranda1 st fight,he won the fight 116-109, 114-109,115-109,no beating like a drum. It was a split decision and Liston floored Marshall. You are making this up as you go along. Martin was 2, 1/2inches taller than Marciano, he was also14lbs heavier. "Martin was very overweight for that fight." This is another deliberate lie. Martin was 199lbs. These are the weight of his preceding fights. Previous one; 194lbs 198lbs 204lbs 202lbs 200lbs 199lbs 199lbs.This was against Thad Spencer and I was ringside it was named UK Fight Of The Year. 195lbs 194lbs 197lbs I stated Liston was ahead on points in the Martin fight and he was,I posted the score cards. Here is the fight for you to score for yourself.point out where the surplus weight is on Martin? Find great value products today (youtube.com) Not only are you aliar,you're not even a very good one.
Why I would because Marshall did beat him. Beating him by points and breaking his jaw= beating. But was that his real weight and was it his best shape, cuz I don't think so? Martin was heavier like Marciano could be 210 and call him heavier but he'll be fat like Martin was overweight. Martin was MW in amateurs and started as 170 pounder so I don't think he was in good shape at 200lb. But Martin won and Liston was knocked out same way Ezzard Charles beat Louis but Ezzard Charles was p4p tbe LhW unlike contender Martin.
I've exposed and corrected your lies and that's enough for me,no need to spend more time exchanging with a fool.
