Gotta laugh at some fighters quoted heights. Dubois is reputed to be between 6ft 4 and a quarter to 6ft 5" Joyce is reputed to be a good 'onest 6ft 6" Check out this face to face pic. https://www.badlefthook.com/2020/10...w-targeted-late-2020-closed-doors-boxing-news I can only assume Joyce is wearing platform shoes...
In the classic section where this was originally posted some posters were running around claiming Usyk is "Geore Foreman sized" when in reality he is closer to Michael Moorer sized. Basically they were implying that Usyk is really a huge heavyweight so we shouldn't try to think smaller heavyweights can beat superheavyweights now! Even though we just saw it happen. In truth a Michael Moorer sized heavyweight just moved up and beat up the two top poster boys for all superheavyweights. That drastically changes all talking points going forward. And they hate that.
Ali was literally listed at 6'2.5" in his early career. Usyk and Ali are very similar proportion wise. Also, I'm not sure if there's one 6'2.5" guy on the planet who doesn't round himself up to 6'3"?
Do you think if you line up a bunch of guys that are 6'3 they all gonna be the exact same height? When you measure in CM then you will get different results. But then you are splitting hairs. Like who gives a damn about a CM here or there? Foreman sized and being 6'3 are conpletely different things. Something called "frame size" hence why there arr small 6'3 guys and big 6'3 guys. Mike Tyson was a large framed 5'10-11 guy with 8 inch wrists. Roy Jones was a medium framed guy at same height, breidis prescott small framed 5'11 and so on and so forth!!!!
Note Dubois trying to push Joyce away, Dubois possibly thinking ..”Not too close Joe, people might be able to make a reasonable height comparison!” Dubois looked about 1” taller than Usyk at best, maybe even just 1/2”??? His trunks however were a good 3” + higher than Usyk’s. I think we need a CelebTrunks site - And, by “trunks”, I’m talking literally, not figuratively.....
Bugger me, Pugs. Damn right, trunk size, we've GOTTA be talking literally... The over exaggeration on what can be clearly seen on a fighters height can be clearly untrue. Start talking figuratively on some things and the exaggerations in size would go off the scale... Depending on ambient temperature and mood.....
The whole premise of this thread is false because it assumes Moorer is the one guy whose height was accurate. In reality Foreman was about 6’3”, Usyk 6’ 2.5” and Moorer 6’1”. The irony is OP wants us to believe that Foreman was obviously much bigger than Moorer, but at the same time wants us to accept they were only 1” apart in height when the difference was clearly bigger. Usyk is slightly shorter than Foreman was and closer in height to Foreman than Moorer.
You don't need to use to Moorer if you don't want to. He was just a heavyweight thats usually listed as 6'2. Any 6'2 heavyweight could be used here. You could swap out Michael Moorer for Michael Spinks and the anaology would still be the same because the analogy isn't wrong.
If we’re being totally fair and realistic, a young lean and prime Usyk at CW weighed about 210. He’s probably 1cm shorter and 10lb lighter than a young, lean and prime Foreman. Moorer is much more difficult to compare because he was probably no more than 190lb up until age 23 (I’m being generous by giving him 15lb, I don’t know how much weight they used to cut and rehydrate in the 80s and early 90s). His weight gain was quite drastic and immediate as soon as he went to HW and I would say he was visibly carrying excess weight the whole time. It’s really hard to say that Moorer was genuinely in shape anywhere north of 200 imo.
But the analogy fundamentally is wrong because Usyk is going to be closer in height to Foreman than almost all boxers listed at 6’2” or less.
Cliched, but disagreements over size often boil down to semantics and interpretations - including narrow application of same. Generally interpreted and applied, Size = both dimensions (skeletal frame, lengths, widths and circumferences therein AND bulk (being actual total weight, fat/muscle and, to a rightful degree, the “bulk”or density of the skeletal frame). To differentiate Size in boxing (officially), weight is the ONLY reference point BUT, with other Size features duly identified and properly qualified , greater weight isn’t always the whole story. Full tales of the tape (which I miss though not always accurate, anyway) were the unofficial, further qualifications for “size”. Galento clearly outweighed Max Baer but to say Galento was the bigger man would not be completely accurate, of course. In terms of weight, yes, bigger, but in every other criterion for size, Galento fell well short of Baer. Suffice to say, with those ridiculous shoulders, I would guess that Max Baer’s jacket “size” would’ve been notably bigger than that of 5’9”?, Two Ton”Tony. Imo, Foreman was clearly naturally bigger (skeletal frame and best weight associated with that frame) than Usyk. Foreman was a weight drained 220 lb or so, for the most part, since moving to HW, Olek has been a bulked up 221 lbs - most recently, an even more bulked 223 1/2 lbs. At CW, hitting his true natural weight by fight time, available “event” weights showed Olek to be in the range of 210 lbs to 215 lbs (IIRC). By the end of his first career, in his mid to late 20s, without deliberate weight draining, Foreman was hitting or very close to the 230 lb mark. Dayum! That means mid to later 70s George was still, at the least, 3 1/2 lbs “smaller” than the Galento who fought Louis.
Foreman’s inexplicable supposed weight draining is definitely a variable here. He says himself that his real weight was more like 225-230? This would actually make a lot more sense because he certainly looked that big. I still think that second career Foreman’s weights tend to reveal that he simply wasn’t as big as he is made out to be by some though. Foreman at around 245lbs was visibly overweight. If he was as enormous as he is made out to be, plus carrying visible excess weight, he would have weighed more than that.
Lol every legit boxing fan already knew Usyk wasn't as big as Foreman in heigh or weight. Usyk weighed 200 pounds until he was in his early 30's. Foreman weighed 230 when he was a amateur and lost weight because that is what fighters did doing this time frame. Doing Foreman's comeback he weighed 250. He could of weighed 250 doing his prime but he could of been called out for it.
