Fury vs Usyk was a 1 point fight either way

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And how exactly you can say someone control the fight, when he is clearly forced to fight his opponent fight, and goes on to the backfoot, and find himself in the corner/ropes a lot of the times ? Round 1 is very clear how Usyk forced Fury on the backfoot. Fury comes and try to take the center ring from the bell, and Usyk landed right-left on the body, and Fury started giving the center ring and goes on the back foot.
    Usyk forced him to do so. And it was like that for the majority of the fight.

    And Fury jabs were missing all night long, and not just that but Fury doesn't have strong/powerful jab. He is flicking it, it's an arm punch that doesn't do neither damage, or doesn't have power. It's essentially a range finder for his right, and to try to keep his opponent at bay, which he clearly failed to do so with Usyk.
    I would have give you the benefits of the doubts if Fury actually landed more total punches in this rounds, but he didn't do it, so there is no humanly possibly way to agree on the Round 3 and 12.
    Cause Usyk was clearly the effective aggressor, he was the better defensive fighter all around, clearly the Ring Generalship. Outlanded Fury and landed the more clean and impactful Punches, while pressuring Fury and force him to fight Usyk's fight.

    And this ain't my opinion, this is what stats are saying.
     
  2. Put to the test

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  3. Absolutely!

    Absolutely! Fabulous, darling! Full Member

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    Nah, Usyk won clearly.
     
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  4. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hahaha I called it

    "This will be the absolute last from me"

    Yeah right, all over it as usual lol
     
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  5. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you have a link to the punch stats of those rounds? Ring generalship has always been a relative and secondary criteria for scoring but even then I hardly get your point. If Fury kept him on the outside, that is his fight. As the shorter man, Usyk needs the mid to short range to be effective. Was not Usyk mostly kept on the outside in those rounds?
     
  6. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not really - he scored numerous straights to the body, and cleaner backhands to the napper than Fury scored in 1-3 - he was doing a great job of stepping outside Furys left leg and planting to score those Body shots - it wasn't till midsway through the 3rd round that Fury adjusted to that by throwing the low armed jabs and uppercuts to close that route for Usyk. That's when Fury started to shift momentum in his favour. Usyk then adjusted to that in the 7th when Fury started to flag, and he changes his angles and footworrk - stopped dipping as much and feinted side-side and doubled up the jab - which nullifyed the uppercut for Fury and allowed more offensive openings that Fury failed to shutdown.

    The first 6 rounds I felt were pretty easy to score - 3 each, with Usyk staring great, and Fury starting to find his rythym midway through round 3 (but not doing enough to nick it) - which is an inversion of the other swing round I had, round 7, which I scored to Fury, but Usyk started to turn round midway through.
     
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  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah it was from me arguing with him over AI kid. Did you see me respond to him after that? No.
    Anyway you have a better job than trying to stalk me?
    I get that it's hard for you, and you are out of work, after the guy you cheerleader for so long gots beaten from pillar to post, but pls find some other hobby, and don't mess with me. I will always prove you wrong.

    Should i even mention AJ - Ngannou, Usyk - Fury ? :D
    Yeah cope harder Adam.
     
  8. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The main criteria in literally any Martial Arts has always been landed punches, and impactful/powerful one. In MMA i think they are judging also by the damage punches is doing, etc, not sure to be fair.

    But in Boxing i gave you the Criteria for scoring.

    Landed Punches, Clean Punches, Impactful ones/Powerful ones, Effective Aggression, Pressuring your opponent, Impose your gameplan over your opponent(Which is essentially what Ring Generalship is), and Defense.

    So you can tell me in which exact criteria Fury was in front ? None. Also Turki Alalshikh was the guy that decide to bring the AI for that match and to be used with DeepStrike AI, as Compubox is highly inaccurate.

    From what i heard they want to integrated into Boxing. Not for scoring fights, as it's too early, but for statistics.

    And no Ring Generalship is explained in the rules: Ring Generalship: The fighter who controls the action and enforces their will and style.

    I don't know what fight you was watching, but Ring Generalship from Round 1 was all Usyk. He impose his style over Fury.

    As Fury wanted a slower pace fight, which didn't happen at all, that's why he gassed after Round 6/7, and lost the fight.

    As for Fury to be winning this rounds from the outside running and hanging on the ropes, he had to outland and counter Usyk. Which he only did in Round 5 and 6. In every other rounds Usyk outlanded him, both by impactful and total punches landed.

    Ring Generalship most of the time is a battle for who will have the center ring, and that battle was won in the Round 1 by Usyk.

    Anyway this is getting too time wasting. Doesn't matter how you score it. This was never a 1, 2 or even 3 points fight. And could never be scored for Fury, even if you are his biggest cheerleader.

    Whether you have Usyk by 4 or 5 rounds(not points, as there was KD) is irrelevant. He won, he won clearly and widely.
    Now we are waiting for Fury announcements of retirement and then un-retirement 20x time in a row.
     
  9. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only stalker is you
    Why not hit the ignore button again

    Fond of quitting like your bodybuilding man crush lol

    Our of work? Compare your post count to mine. you have no job
     
  10. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol beyond help
     
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  11. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anybody who thinks it was a one point fight is drunk on their own ignorance. Usyk won 8-4. Competitive fight but not close as rounds are scored.
     
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  12. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had it 7-5, 115-112 for Usyk. If you gave round 3 and maybe round 8 (can't remember), I suppose you could get 114-113 Fury. Still, that's a stretch. Closer fight than most want to admit, but there was a clear winner.
     
  13. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. Full Member

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    Get it over. Usyk won by UD not for the judges of course but for those who know boxing like many here. Fury won maximum 5 rounds.
     
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  14. Mister Pugilist

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  15. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Definitely an Usyk win, but it was a close fight. Usyk 100% deserved the win though.

    I wouldn't write Fury off in the rematch.