Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk vs. Tyson Luke Fury II

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  1. Usyk on points

    31.3%
  2. Usyk by stoppage

    44.4%
  3. Draw

    1.4%
  4. Fury on points

    10.4%
  5. Fury by stoppage

    12.5%
  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All i see is waffle from you. Fury won this or that round, cause i said so. Then if you think Fury won Round 3 and 7, explain us why you think like that. On what exactly criteria Fury won that rounds?

    Because it's not on clean punching, it's not on total punches, it's not on Effective Aggression, and most certainly it's not cause he was the busier pressure fight.
    So on what exactly criteria Fury won Round 3 and 7?

    And it's funny that you say most people, and not mentioning anyone. And most people are British people, as this fight was on Sky Sports, TNT, and DAZN which are all Fury fanboys.

    And even then Sky Sports, which all of them picked Fury and are his fans, had 3 round for Usyk, and the fight 116-112.

    And i had rewatched the fight, not that i needed, as i scored identical to my first view, aka wide for Usyk, 9-3.

    There is no universe where Fury landed more or cleaner punches than Fury, and if you had make the work to actually watch the fight closely, you would have notice that.
    That's why i bring to you the AI stats, which surely are not biased like you and me, and surely can tell better than me and you, who landed more and the impactful one. And surprise, surprise buddy, Usyk landed more + the more impactful ones, and surprise surprise, he was the Ring Generalship, the one that put pressure and the Aggressor.
    Maybe i'm not counting Fury rabbit punches, as there was plenty of them, and the ref should have warned him strongly for it, but we all know that he was a paid actor. There was 2 at the end of Round 3, but illegal punches are not scored anyway. If you land rabbit punches, judges just ignore the, as they are illegal, as should be.

    Maybe next time pay attention to Usyk Left to the body, which is a power shot, as this is his back hand.
    115-112 is not fair at all, simply because even the biased UK commentators had id 116-112.

    And where was that cut on Fury ? I missed it. Usyk broke his nose in the Round 8, but i didn't see a cut.
    Actually Usyk was cut above his right eye, thanks to Fury headbutt.
     
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  2. Elvizzz

    Elvizzz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How did you score AJ vs Usyk 1 and 2?
     
  3. Glass 1/2 Empty

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    All this talk of Fury can do better, walk him down etc etc...I think Fury gave his best, so did Usyk, and Usyk was that bit better.

    Fury hit Usyk with his best, and Usyk took it and rallied afterwards

    Usyk hit Fury with his best and Fury crumpled and never fully recovered.

    Everytime Fury did something good and backed Usyk up, he couldn't sustain the attack, the opposite was true for Usyk.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Usyk can hurt Fury. Fury did better coming forward and being close up until Usyk started taking those chances and turning the fight. Fury, i think, is suffering a bit. He's old, he's abused. It's hard plan to make, one where he stays on the front foot, gets hit a lot, but doesn't get broken up by Usyk's punches. I think Usyk will out-punch him again, outfight him, it's crazy.
     
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  5. miniq

    miniq Oleksandr Usyk Undisputed HW Champion Full Member

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    Fury isn't making the same mistake twice to get caught by that overhand left.

    He won't mess around early doors either

    Fury's problem is down the stretch he's going to fade that Usyk can sweep rounds.

    Fury's fight is to sweep the early rounds...then go on the defensive late fight and drop rounds on purpose then maybe he might get a 2nd wind very late fight.

    It's hard for both because they read the fight really well so it's hard for either to take a rest
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    You think Olly's gonna just sit there and leave a path for right uppercuts on the body? :lol:

    Tyson gonna magically pull another consistently scoreable blow from outta his big cottage cheese caboose, is he?
     
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  7. miniq

    miniq Oleksandr Usyk Undisputed HW Champion Full Member

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    Like he did in their first bout?...
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    For three rounds, until he didn't.
     
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  9. miniq

    miniq Oleksandr Usyk Undisputed HW Champion Full Member

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    History of boxing shows how these kind of things go. Neither have special powers to find something so far extra or to adjust that far that they can just walk it. Fury used to have that power but father time is battering him with a bargepole.

    Both will make improvements. Both will regress in areas. Both will make mistakes. Both are going to be even older. I thought Usyk would rinse AJ in the rematch but clearly he was much more reserved and not as up for it. AJ didn't improved substantially like people like to imagine. Same old. Usyk just was less busy.

    Hell getting through their camps injury free is their biggest challenge. Not the fight itself.
     
  10. bandeedo

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    fury will not see the 8th rd in a rematch. usyk knows now that he can get to furys chin, and he knows where he needs to be to do it. he has taken furys best shots and knows when fury will look to throw the heat. he is coming in now with all that knowledge, double the confidence, and a full tank of gas that he knows will not run out before furys does.
    oh, and i almost forgot the main reason...fury is just not that good, to overcome his situation. never has been.
     
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  11. pugilista

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    He couldn't do any significant holding and leaning as it is. Usyk diffused him effectively and quickly each and every time. If he comes in any heavier, Usyk's superior speed, movement, and stamina will be even more apparent. Coming in heavier is the absolute worst thing Fury can do. He is already outmatched in several key aspects such as speed and engine.
     
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  12. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh it took you some time to come back on here, hehehe. Glad your back, but i'm sorry to disappoint you that there is no rivers of tears in the forum. :D
    I had both Fights 9-3 for Usyk.
    First one i had it like that:
    Round 1 - Usyk
    Round 2 - Usyk
    Round 3 - Usyk
    Round 4 - Usyk
    Round 5 - AJ
    Round 6 - AJ
    Round - 7 Usyk
    Round 8 - AJ
    Round 9 - Usyk
    Round 10 - Usyk
    Round 11 - Usyk
    Round 12 - Usyk

    And before people call me bias i though AJ is going to win, as Usyk was already past his prime at that time. Whether i like the guy or not i always score the way i see it. And i'm almost working with headphones and background music, and i'm constantly using my brain and thinking when working, so i can isolate what i'm hearing from what i'm watching, so i don't need to rewatch a 5 time to score it right. I can isolate the commentators bias completely.

    AJ 2 i had it similar, but i don't remember my exact scoring.
    Though while AJ looked a bit better, which was due to better tactics prolly, the result was the same. I also think in AJ 2 Usyk was slightly declined in his speed, and his punches was a bit messy, unlike the first fight. There was WAR at that time, Usyk lost 10kg. back in Ukraine, couldn't train for awhile, etc, etc. Then he had long camp, and did great. Throws tons of punches, but i think in AJ 1 Usyk looked better.

    His movement was outstanding in that fight 1, and i think this was truly his last legs of his prime. Heavily declined now, but it's normal for a relative small guy in the current HW division, who best assets are very age prone.
    If he had the explosiveness/power of Haye, holy hell he could fight till 40+ with ease.
     
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  13. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The problem for Fury is this, and i'm saying this without any bias.

    He talk a tons of s****, and now everyone all around the world is mocking him, and this guy is like a baby, he is very sensitive. Banning Talksports, which are prolly his biggest fanboys alongside IFL on the media.
    That interview with True George, when Fury couldn't handle a normal question of why the heck you are going to fight Chisora for a 3rd time or so. He get so pissed and put all kind of insults, just shows you how sensitive he is.

    Just like Connor McGregor against Habib. He talk a big, big game, but on the fight night did not deliver and was smashed to pieces.
    He had to look that fight, and to see he only wins Round 5 and 6 comfortably, and at best 1 more round.
    He will look at the stats of the fight, and to realize that he was outdone in every other round.

    He is 40+ pounds bigger than Usyk, 19cm. reach advantage, 16cm. height advantage, it's 19 months younger, and Fury essentially delayed the fight for that very reason to age Usyk out, and that didn't work. His whole plan failed completely.
    He though he would be able to beat Usyk with the body shots and knock him out. He though Usyk couldn't hurt him.
    But all of that prove to be false. Usyk took his best shots, never goes down, never really was in danger of being even send to the canvas, comeback and eat Fury heart. Fury will knew deep down that he was done in the 9th. and that the referee saved his *** there. He now knew that every Left of Usyk hurts, and that if Usyk find him good, he is going to be all over the place again. And on the other side, he knows he can't hurt Usyk.

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    He is going to see them all over the place. How is his fragile ego, going to handle this?
    Also don't forget he essentially prepare for Usyk even before the Ngannou fight, as his camp for Ngannou was actually for the Usyk. He comes in the best shape in his life(he say it, his promoter say it, his manager say it, his brothers says it, everyone says it), train for over a year for that fight, give it, done it all, what more can he do? And will it be enough?
    And the pressure will still be on him, once again. As Usyk already become Undisputed. He doesn't even need to win, he is done for life.
    And people are s***** on Fury resume, one more lose will cement him as a fraud by many(not me).


    On the plus side for Fury:
    Usyk is going to filming/shooting a movie. Already won his goal, so won't be as motivated. The hunger won't be dear. Usyk is also clearly on big decline, so the time they fight again Usyk will be 38, so more on the slight.
    Again Size is for life, which is Fury best assets, unlike Usyk's, which are all age related, and are almost halved in not worst compare to his best days.
    Judges and referee could be even more on his side, to try and scrap the AJ - Fury fight(i personally think this won't ever happen, as Fury will duck AJ and never fight him).

    This is it pretty much.
     
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  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Stop being emotional and being a **** little fanboy. Be a man for once in your life time. Fury got caught by that Left straight and overhand all night long. It was from the very first round, the moment they enter for the second Usyk find him again, and Fury was always taking step back and was doing facial expression when he was caught.
    And after round 6, Usyk started to find him on will with that Left Hand.

    Fury has always been lazy, and while i was telling you all that he has such a terrible fundamentals flaws, that you were laughing at me, but i was right once again.
    He is always been lazy. Every single fight of his. That's why he gets dropped by no names and light punchers, and why Wilder floored him Twice in the first fight. Why Ngannou floored him, and so on.
    He also always drops his hands when throwing punches.
    The guy is dropping his right hand when he flicking a jab, this is absolutely terrible.
    This is fundamentals flaws. You ain't fixing this at 35 years old, unless you get out of the ring for quite some time, and work specifically on that, but he would have done it by now if he knows how to fix it.

    His showboating was to try to distract from Usyk work, not that he was having a fun. He was soundly outboxed in the first 3 rounds, that's why he was showboating.

    Usyk puts him constantly on pressure and in the corners and on the ropes.
    Unless Usyk decline even more in the next months, Fury doesn't stand a chance.

    Usyk ain't Wilder as well. Don't forget Fury had Andy Lee and Sugar Hill, and especially the first one is a great tactical fighter. If they though they could goes through Usyk like they did against Wilder, they would have fought him like that already.
     
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  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eh watch this 3 shorsts of Fury breaking the fight with Usyk:
    Tyson Fury gives an EPIC BREAKDOWN of why he “hammers” Oleksandr Usyk (youtube.com)
    Tyson Fury URGES FOR A FAIR FIGHT with Oleksandr Usyk ️ (youtube.com)
    Tyson Fury believes the rematch between Oleksandr Usyk & Anthony Joshua was “VERY CLOSE“ (youtube.com)

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    This guy Ego is going to be shattered to pieces. He though he was smart or knew something, but then he was proven all wrong by the middleweight rabbit.
    You ain't going to overcome any of that.

    His best chances in the rematch are even worst, aka judges, referee and using illegal stuffs. He can't beat Usyk in a fair fight.