Like I said in the General Forum. Rocky Marciano, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather and now Usky are the most biased delusional fanboys you will come across. You can tell most Marciano fanboys aren't legit boxing fans to began with. This is why they don't understand weight classes. Even Floyd Mayweathers biased fanboys understand weight class. They aren't going to tell you that Floyd Mayweather would beat some world class light heavyweight for example. Marciano fanboys are so clueless they can't even grasp that. Let me give you some funny examples. They will say since Buster Douglas a 6'3 230 pound guy beat Mike Tyson then the 180 pound Marciano could do it. They will say since Jimmy Young a 6'2 215 pound guy beat George Foreman then Rocky Marcinao could do it. They will say since Lennox Lewis lost to Rahman and McCall two 230 pound plus guys then Marciano could do it. Lol funny since Marciano himself was knocked down by the natural 160 pound Archie Moore. Moore weighed 160 or so pounds until his early 30's. 180-190 pound Jersey Joe Walcott knocked Marciano down. 170 pound Ted Lowry beat Marciano from pillar to post and could of stopped him. But hey George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko's power couldn't hurt Marciano right? He waws just so tough. These people are delusional. So delusional that the moment a person say they are a Marciano fan you should dismiss anything they say after that. Sonny Liston is overrated himself by these want to be experts who heard Burt Sugar say something nice about him. Liston beat 180 pound Floyd Patterson and slow glass chin Cleveland Williams. Now casuals act like he is some kind of monster. But Liston would still destroy Marciano though
This is just a theory, Marciano beat them, he knocked LaStarza and Ted lowry looked like a potato after the fight. Patterson was knoced by every good man he fought, Ingemar did that before Liston. Marciano was just down to 185 but he could be fit at 190-195 pounds. Liston couldn't beat LhW bum Marshall and average contender Martin.
but no one like Liston. In the rematch, Ingo did not exist. Patterson was often on the boards but he couldn't be finished with Quarry, Ali, Bonavena, Ellis, Moore, Cooper. In the correspondence fight with Archie, Moore performed better than Marciano. The only fighter who really crushed Patterson, twice, was Sonny Liston
He won all those fights. The Charles fight is on film for u to watch. Which I’m assuming u didn’t. The other two aren’t on film but we’re all scores for Marciano, meaning he won. Quite presumptuous of u to assume the others won. There r always people who r gonna disagree on an outcome. Heck people were fighting over Usyk v Fury which I thought was clear for Usyk. Does that mean Fury lost or Usyk should get less credit in a close title fight? The answer is no. Be better
How do Rocky-Liston threads always end up with like 10 pages? The outcome is pretty obvious, Liston in 4
Could a mid 50s fight between the two have resembled anything legit with all the mob connections floating among the two?* *most directly with Liston but the mafia were obvious big Marciano fans.
The whole argument from the pro Liston side has everything to do w Rocky’s weight. But Liston lost to two people out of the three he lost to were under 200 pounds. But arguably the best under 200 pound HW ever doesn’t stand a chance? Am I getting ur argument right? And Rocky would lose because of a reach disadvantage which he literally had in every fight he had am I right? That’s the logic…I don’t doubt Sonny could win. He was a force and he’s in my top 7 HWs ever, I don’t think this plays out in the same way no one predicted Holyfield would win. Holyfield won over Tyson because he dictated the pace and distance of the fight. Something Marciano did extremely well. Something no one else at the time was able to do. If u still pick Liston that’s fine. He had great stamina as well and great power. I just don’t think he would handle the Marciano adversity so well in the later rounds. Marciano tko 11
I don't think it's about that, you can be relatively light, lighter than your opponent if you fight defensively, avoid fighting, box backwards, have good footwork etc. Marshal and Martin were a bit accidental defeats and Liston was definitely not at his best when they happened. The style favors Liston. Marciano would go forward and hit the wall. Like Frazier from Foreman.
Marciano fought using great defense. Maybe one of the most underrated fighters in that category ever. I don’t agree that lighter fighters need to fight on the back foot. To many examples of come forward guys who were almost always lighter or smaller then their opponents to name. To give a few. Langford, Marciano, Patterson, Frazier, Tyson, Holyfield, Usyk were all fighters all different who came forward and were lighter then all or most of their best opponents. The winner in boxing is almost always the guy who can impost their will on the other. Meaning they control distance , pace, etc. Something all those men did extremely well
I doubt that Marciano, if he hadn't retired, would have gone through Patterson and Johansson undefeated. And he certainly wouldn't finish the fight with Liston undefeated.
Patterson was destroyed and knocked just by one punch from Ingo who cracked him first. Ali beat him like a drum, Quarry beat him too. Yeah, when he was overtrained and in jail for fake accusation that he raped a woman. Ingemar crushed him first, he also knocked Machen in 1st round.
But Liston isn't Foreman and Marciano is twice stronger than Frazier and could one punch KO people with both hands.
Lol Marciano lost to 180 pound Roland LaStarza and 170 pound Ted Lowry. Why am I wasting my time with a biased Marciano fanboy? Wait I am not anymore.
