Who is more skilled ? Bivol or Usyk ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by senpai, Jun 1, 2024.

?

WHO ?

  1. Bivol

    12 vote(s)
    14.0%
  2. Usyk

    74 vote(s)
    86.0%
  1. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2021
    Messages:
    5,188
    Likes Received:
    6,886
    It's really interesting question for me.


    Today, guys at the gym were arguing about that.

    Footwork, jab, control, defence...

    Let's not talk about achivements, because we know who wins that, but Let's talk about pure boxing skills, outboxing opponents.

    Who you got ?
     
    ikrasevic likes this.
  2. DoubleG95Fanatic

    DoubleG95Fanatic Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2021
    Messages:
    4,443
    Likes Received:
    3,881
    Both at a similar level, maybe just shade it for Bivol.
     
    HyperionAlpha likes this.
  3. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2017
    Messages:
    3,626
    Likes Received:
    5,936
    Usyk.
    He's fighting people far bigger which means he has to depend completely on his skills.
    Bivol is on the smaller side of LHW but he's still the same stature as most LHW's and his most famous win is a against a 5'7 MW.
    If Bivol beats Beterbiev it might change things, but Beterbiev is still a LHW, and kind of small for he division height-wise.

    The reality is that Fury, AJ, even Dubious, are huge compared to Usyk and Joyce is too.
     
  4. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2021
    Messages:
    5,188
    Likes Received:
    6,886
    And far less skilled than boxers at LHW

    Which is more difficult, fighting big guys who are far less skilled, slower or similar size with good skills, faster ?
     
  5. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2019
    Messages:
    4,907
    Likes Received:
    5,526
    Bivol probably has a better defense and jab, but Usyk is more versatile
     
    Keldan likes this.
  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2005
    Messages:
    31,252
    Likes Received:
    29,341
    Usyk, he uses more movement, while Bivol plants himself more behind that high guard. Usyk also has better head and upper body movement. Defensively he's just more versatile than Bivol.
     
    lordlosh and Usyk is the best like this.
  7. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2019
    Messages:
    5,743
    Likes Received:
    10,138
    Usyk more proven
    I choose him
     
  8. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2014
    Messages:
    4,739
    Likes Received:
    4,889
    Usyk for me as he has proven it vs a better standard of fighter.
     
  9. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2014
    Messages:
    39,053
    Likes Received:
    15,754
    The goat
     
    Usyk is the best likes this.
  10. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2006
    Messages:
    11,109
    Likes Received:
    16,546
    Usyk has superior offensive skills.

    Defensively is close but Usyk has faced bigger punchers P4P. Bredis and Joshua are bigger P4p punchers than the guys Bivol has beaten. So close edge to Usyk man.
     
    Usyk is the best likes this.
  11. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2021
    Messages:
    7,226
    Likes Received:
    7,691
    Usyk for now.
    But if Bivol managed to beat Beterbiev, I believe the story would change.
    Especially if Usyk loses the rematch against Fury.
     
  12. peter_uk

    peter_uk Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2022
    Messages:
    2,205
    Likes Received:
    3,556
    Usyk by a distance
     
    lordlosh likes this.
  13. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2016
    Messages:
    14,876
    Likes Received:
    19,136
    Questions like these only emphasise why there isn't only one metric of evaluating skill. Both these guys are supremely skilled but in different areas.

    Bivol has really sharp movement and clean crisp technique on every shot he throws, specifically the excellent spearing jab that allows him to control the exact range, pace and contours of the fight. Very solid no-nonsense defensive guard, consistent workrate and a cool head that allows him to execute his gameplans with machine-like efficiency. However, he's only had an opportunity to show those skills against men of a similar height/weight to him or against naturally smaller men like Canelo. Hard to say how well he could execute the same clinical dismantlings against men much heavier and longer than him where skills like head movement and a more full bodied style of punching are required, as well as a greater degree of strength in the clinch. I'm thinking of Gassiev to some degree here.

    Usyk doesn't have the clinical precision and crispness of Bivol but he's a master at fighting bigger stronger men than himself using constant in out and side to side movement, head movement, feints, angles, mental pressure and a constant and varied attacking style. He's also a master of adapting to opponents and has several times had to dig deep both into his heart reserves and into his freeform boxing brain to find solutions to problems in-ring, which is a really rare skill and where he really excels in my opinion. The only other current fighter I've seen do this to that level is Inoue, but like Bivol he's mostly doing it to men of a similar size to him.

    Overall I'd say it comes down to this: Bivol is more likely to put a clinic on you, totally dominate from start to finish. Usyk is going to give you chances and look ragged and vulnerable in spots. However, Usyk has proven his style works against all sizes and styles of opponent and in a variety of scenarios. Bivol, if he ever fights someone significantly bigger and stronger than him, might find himself boxed into a shell and unable to get his offence going. It remains to be seen.
     
  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    80,554
    Likes Received:
    21,170
    Usyk.

    May as well just top fighting it and hop aboard.

    He's pretty much united every single boxing fan in proclaiming his greatness.
     
    EJDiaZ and UnleashtheFURY like this.
  15. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2010
    Messages:
    6,830
    Likes Received:
    188
    Bivol. We have not seen him in his top gear even against Canelo. Usyk had to dig deep in his fights to squeeze the wins.