Wilder is the perfect example...

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  1. Unique Way

    Unique Way Active Member Full Member

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    ...of a fighter who was completely dependent on his physical gifts. Once his speed has gone, he totally lost the ability to "time" his opponents with that right hand.

    While the guys like Wlad were able to compete against young elite opponent even at 41, because, while he lost his speed just like Wilder did, he was far less dependant on it. Because he possessed great technique/skills.

    And guys like Larry Holmes was able to school prime Ray Mercer at 42, win 4 rounds against prime Holyfield and give an even fight to McCall at 45 right after McCall knocked out Lennox Lewis.

    The more skilled fighters will always look "closer" to their prime in old age compared to the least skilled ones just because they don't depend on physical abilities so much
     
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  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Stop it. Wilder speed is still there. He was just never any good to begin with.
    Yeah he obviously has declined, but he never had any boxing skill, so nothing to decline, and power, reach, height is for life, and he always been all about that.

    The reality is and the reason why he is hesitant to throw shows up big time tonight. He actually decide to throw wild punches like he used to doing it, and it's shows the result. Against top opposition, they will make you miss and pay for it, just what Zhang did.
    He was hesitant, as his opponent could box and not being an idiotic to allow Wilder to set his right hand.

    And btw, WIlder has always and i mean always telegraphing his right hand. He has always been wide open when throwing that punch as well. He drops his left hand, and there is ZERO defense.
    This ain't due to age, this is due to lack of any fundamentals.

    It's funny watching how Fury fans trying to salvage this and claims Wilder is shot now.
    Funny how Wilder at 38 is shot to pieces, but Usyk at 37,5 years old is somehow in his prime. :D
     
  3. UFC2020

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    Same thing happened to Mike Tyson in his 30's, once his speed explosiveness diminished, he was a very beatable fighter.
     
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  4. Hankey89

    Hankey89 Member Full Member

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    This. Wilder was only ever good at koing tomato cans, very limited fighter, and has been beaten by every good boxer he has fought.
     
  5. kirk

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    I agree but also think the beatings Fury gave him coupled with his inactivity played a role.

    A fighter that relies on his timing as much as Wilder needs to be active.

    And as bad as a beating he got in the second fury fight, its almost like people forget that Fury almost killed him in the ring in their third fight.

    Had he not had the Fury fights and was more active, I think his timing likely doesnt wane as much as it has despite his age and declining speed.
     
  6. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Anything except the very end version of Tyson would have beaten both Wilder and Zhang tonight. Both were hesitant and looked like ass. Tyson was never like that.
     
  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Come on he was never going to beat Parker or Zhang or any of the top fighters in that matter. He is terribly limited, always was.
    His punch resistance is the same as always was. Nothing special.
    His decline has nothing to do with the fact he kept moving to the right whole night, which just plays into Zhang hands and shots, who is a southpaw. He has no idea how to fight a proper southpaw fighter.
    Wilder is just delusional, and had a full circle of yes men's around him.
    He was always like that.
     
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  8. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Fight sports enthusiast Full Member

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    yup, just rewatched the Lewis-Tyson fight and despite being quite washed by his standards he showed more spark there than Wilder looked his last 2 fights.
     
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  9. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    What are his 3 best wins?
     
  10. kirk

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    Ortiz 1
    Stiverne 1
    Ortiz 2

    Imo
     
  11. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Wilder is hesitant to throw in fear of being open and getting countered. That is what have been throwing of his timing. Look at the Zhang fight. His right was cocked but he just wouldn't throw the right. He was hesitant against Parker too.
     
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  12. kirk

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    When Tyson was Wilders age he was quitting against the likes of McBride the mechanic.
     
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  13. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Exactly. I genuinely believe him to be a worse belt holder than Sam Peter. That he had a longer reign was due to a lull in America's heavyweight boxing scene, clever management with a fair amount of support from the WBC and good fortune.
     
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  14. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Tyson had bested Wilder's entire resume by the time he was 23.
     
  15. HyperionAlpha

    HyperionAlpha Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Didn't Breland say he tried to teach him things but he was just too much in love with the power in the right hand. Paraphrasing. He just didn't want to learn the skills etc. you pay for that in the long run. hope he retires and has lots of money.