Did Malik Scott ruin and deteriorate Wilder further?

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  1. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be fair to Malik he got Wilder near the end of his career.

    Wilder wasn’t the easiest guy to train when he was younger, so I can imagine how tough Wilder is to train at 37+ years old.

    That said I don’t think Malik is cutout to be a head trainer and would be better in the assistant trainer’s role.

    Breland and Rus Anber were very experienced and in my opinion we’re vital in Wilder becoming a champion.

    I thought it was a huge loss for Wilder when Anber left. Usyk on the otherhand was very smart to make Anber apart of his team.
     
  2. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Bllows by Fury twice and Parker destroyed his heart, his chin and all theres in the middle.
     
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  3. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    What fool would think Scott took a legitimate right hand from Wilder in defeat.

    All of a sudden Scott is Wilder’s trainer.
     
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  4. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Because he never fight any decent fighter with a power that can make him miss and make him pay.
    He is hesitant, cause he knows what's coming back. He never also had boxing skills, neither any defense. He is terrible fundamentally. He is dropping his hands when he throws any given shot.
    The only reason he was not exposed earlier is cause of the level of his opposition, nothing else.
     
  5. Unique Way

    Unique Way Active Member Full Member

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    I think Wlad made a big mistake by choosing to fight AJ instead of Wilder in 2017. I think Wlad would utterly destroy prime Wilder even at 41. He probably thought AJ was too green and he needs to fight him as soon as possible. Plus AJ fight presented him much bigger money and Joshua fight, most likely, was much easier to make. But if Wlad fought Wilder in 2017 he would school him and knock him out cold
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He tried to polish a turd with Montezuma's revenge if you catch my drift?

    I like Scott but he talks a lot of pseudointellectual twaddle
     
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  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Wlad didn't do any mistake. Wilder never wanted anything to do with Klitschko. He ducked him officially.
     
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  8. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Wilder was always a Glass Jawed one armed bandit. Eddie Futch and Ray Arcel couldn’t have changed that.
     
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  9. monaim

    monaim Member Full Member

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    If Wilder had gone to Derrick James, he would have had a better outcome.
     
  10. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder was successful because of his unorthodoxy and willingness to attack and land the big bomb. Now he looks confused, hesitant to throw for fear of his opponents reaction, and his legs are completely gone. What made him have the success he had was his willingness to engage, he no longer has that willingness and fights afraid. He needs to retire, he accomplished his goals and it’s admirable of his original reason to get into the fight game ( his daughter ).
    Malik Scott is a failed fighter and a horrible trainer, he is imo a delusional trainer wannabe and will ruin fighters careers.
     
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  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Scott gives good advice in the corner. He had Wilder fighting a smart fight in the third Fury fight. Nobody could've done much to help beyond that since he became inactive at a time when he needed tune ups.
     
  12. elrond_buggard

    elrond_buggard Member Full Member

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    Yeah that to me is a big factor. He should've gone on a condensed comeback tour after beating Helenius (like AJ), but instead disappeared for over a year, and ring rust turned into him being shot, which makes sense at his age.

    There's a narrative here that he was never that good anyway, or that Parker/Zhang beating him in 2024 somehow proves that Fury beating him in 2020 (and 2018, let's be honest) wasn't a great win, which in the context of the time it was (plus the trilogy was just epic, whatever you think of both men).

    On the other hand, Wilder brought this narrative on himself by leaving it too late in his career to fight top-level competition.
     
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  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I think his career was basically well managed. He had a careful title run at a time when he was still improving, then stepped up in big fights against Ortiz and Fury (I back the draw as being legit). He was basically done after that and seemed to be handling his career like a guy who was fishing for a fight with Joshua.

    Then Turk injected huge money into the sport and Wilder got to take two big bags for fights that he lost, but probably would've won when he was younger and more active.
     
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  14. Curtis Lowe

    Curtis Lowe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Malik Scott was in no way an asset to Wilder. For me, he actually showed no purpose, as he brought nothing to the Wilder table.
     
  15. JBHolmes

    JBHolmes Back into boxing Full Member

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    Yes, by trying to turn him into some boxer type of fighter! Worst thing wilder ever did was get rid of Mark Breland who knew wilder from early days