Would Usyk Be A Stylistic Nightmare For Ali?

Ali did mention Mildenberger as such, but there's a context to everything.

I'd say it's worth taking into consideration Ali's schedule (he'd fought less than seven weeks earlier); the fact that he'd had to fly back and forth between Europe and the US to attend a 'draft hearing' in late August '66; that Mildenberger was in front of a home crowd in Germany's first ever hosting of a World Heavyweight Title fight, with National Hero and Boxing Legend Max Schmeling in attendance (Mildenberger was highly motivated - and it showed).

So - yes - it was a tough fight, but this was not necessarily down to Mildenberger's effort alone. There are additional factors.

And, the fight speaks for itself. Even a weary Ali battered the brave Mildenberger to a stoppage.

 

What makes you say Usyk has more power than Ali? I feel like the opposite is true.

 

lol I think it's fairly obvious

 

Really ? Many people are saying Usyk is a ATG Heavyweight and would be the favourite over most ATG Heavyweights because of the Fury win recently. So Usyk also has the opinion of being untouchable based on recent bias.

Hunter is average just like Mildenberger is nothing special I don't see the difference, both Ali and Usyk lost the early rounds and then both went on to dominate their opponent. So why is it only the Mildenberger fight is revelant and not the Hunter fight ? As I said its agenda driven.

Well for one Ali only lost after a 3 year exile he lost 3 years of his peak plus Ali was fighting more often he fought 3x as ranked fighters as Usyk. So when you're fighting often and fighting top 10 opposition on a regular basis of course you will see weaknesses. Imagine if Usyk had a schedule where he was fighting 3 times a year against ranked opposition Usyk has only had 22 fights!!!!!

For comparison Usyk has had 22 fights in just over a decade Ali had 22 fights in just under 5 years that says it all really.

 

lol I could say the same for Usyk and he has had less heavyweight fights than Ali during the period from Liston to the ban.

 

Except all the guys Usyk beat at heavyweight are better then everyone Ali beat from Liston to the ban

 

lol That’s your opinion. I am not sure how many people share that opinion. I rate Liston better than Fury or Joshua and probably Williams also. This is Usyk’s best win at heavyweight.

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In terms of greatness they are not Liston is greater than Fury, Patterson is greater than Joshua, and other contenders like Williams, Folley, would be rated higher than the likes of Dubois, Chisora, in the all time Heavyweight rankings.

Now obviously Joshua would be harder stylistically than someone like Patterson due to the size difference, but you're also comparing two different era's where we're in the era of Super Heavyweights which is an advantage but also a disadvantage. Because the giants now don't have the conditioning, speed, and certain skill sets that the smaller Heavyweights between 200-220 pounds had.

As i said Joshua is harder stylistically than Patterson due to the size but he certainly isn't rated above Patterson in the all time Heavyweight rankings. And i would also pick Patterson over more notable Heavyweights of his size than i would Joshua fighting notable Heavyweights of his size.

 

That's an apples to oranges comparison, Ali is considered the number 1 H2H fighter by most people on this forum despite being an objectively flawed fighter who struggled with certain fighters and styles and even in his prime wasn't untouchable. No one is saying Usyk is untouchable or is the best H2H fighter he's is given praise for overcoming huge size disadvantages that no other heavyweight has been able to do as consistency as Usyk which imo qualifies him as an ATG but he's clearly not invincible he just has a style that would give any heavyweight a tough fight.
Well I would say Hunter looked a lot more impressive then Mildenberger in the fights I watched but sure neither is a great opponent. The difference is that Mildenberger was in Ali's prime when everyone claims Ali was invincible and untouchable while Hunter was in Usyk's third title fight when he was still figuring out his pro style again an apples to oranges comparison.
Quality has a quantity of its own Usyk is constantly fighting fighters bigger then himself which Ali rarely did plus I'm sure he would have fought more if it wasn't for the war and contact bs. But regardless Ali showed flaws because he had a lot of technical flaws that his athleticism was able to overcome but when he started fighting people who could exploit those flaws and his athleticism started to decline he looked more vulnerable.

 

All time ranking sure I agree but the Liston the Ali fought was not prime Liston it was an old injured Liston who looked in awful shape and then threw the second fight. And how is Williams an impressive win he literally got shot and lost his right kidney he shouldn't have even be allowed to box lol. Yeah and that guy would beat every fighter that Ali fought during his prime lol

 

We're not talking about greatness we're talking pure H2H ability and Fury and Joshua are a lot harder fights then anyone Ali fought during his prime years

 

Liston was old and not prime after the first fight. He was a huge odds favorite before the fight. Funny how that works. Joshua lost to a guy who hadn’t seen his feet in years and the video of Fury in my previous post speaks for itself. The fact that Wilder became relevant in this era says it all. Usyk may eventually convince me that he should be talked about in the same conversation with the atgs but he has a ways to go.

 

Joshua was also a huge favorite before the Usyk fight and yet we know how that went. I'm sorry if your nostalgia for the old days blinds you to how good Usyk is and you can't acknowledge how impressive it is for a small heavyweight to beat large skilled superheavyweights on a constant basis, but that seems to be a personal failing on your part and its obvious you will never be convinced so lets just agree to disagree.